Baby born from dead donor womb transplant in UK first

But, again, is healthcare only to be limited to things that are absolutely critical?

I can see the argument for not providing it on the NHS, at this point in time. But to suggest it shouldn’t be allowed ever due to this is just odd.

Minimising much? There are surgery's people have all the time to improve their life. This is one

Thank you, I will tell her that later!

Men have a larger liver, for a start, but their pelvic cavity is also differently shaped to the female pelvic cavity for the reason that the female pelvic cavity is designed to permit a pregnancy, and then to function as it should in childbirth.

That is why women have a different hip-waist ration to men, and part of the reason that female walk and gait is different to that of the male.

Some of them do know more, of course. Not all of them will, though, if that's not an area they come into contact with in their daily practice.

And it's good that you don't have blind faith. A lot of people do have blind faith in doctors, because they think they have to adhere to a Hippocratic Oath, or think that they're somehow morally or ethically more trustworthy than the average person, when really neither of those things is true.

That is not actual death though is it?
People can't always have what they want in life.

So is medical care now restricted to only the worst of the worst?

Lots of women want a impeded life - if that is what you mean by having children, and the depths of despair they can feel when they are unable to have a child can actual feel like a disability; a lack; a loss; a failure.

@OtterlyAstounding yes I stand by that! Because they do..!? 😂 I certainly do not know enough about organ donation surgery to make an educated decision on it, but I do put my trust in the doctors. The point I was making is that it isn’t blind trust - it is trust I have given them through my personal experiences. Just as I trust my garage to look after my car, it isn’t blind, it is a recognition that they have the knowledge and experience that I don’t have and while I know there are bad mechanics I also know there are very good mechanics and I prefer to judge mechanics on the ones I have known. Same as Doctors, the ones I have worked with and alongside have generally been clever, talented and lovely people.

Do you people actually think about your arguments when you use mind-numbing phrases such as ‘nobody dies from….’. There are countless procedures that are performed, countless times every day, where ‘nobody would die’ if they were not performed. So, what’s your actual point?

I'm sure infertile women feel they can't live a full life without a baby in it.

Adoption isn’t a neutral act either and raises many ethical and moral dilemmas of its own.

Funny you should say this - my teenage DD asked the other day, what is in the space in a man’s body where a womb, fallopian tubes and ovaries are? Are male organs larger to fill
the space or is everything just floating about with more room around it?!

Nobody dies from not having a baby.
This makes me really uneasy and concerned for the future - women with no womb of ordinary childbearing age doing this is fine but I wonder how it could develop

Don't be daft, its not a disability, it may be an upset, a tragedy etc but its not a disability, you can live a normal unimpeded life.

This was following a transplant from a live donor in 2023.
UK’s first successful womb transplant – key questions answered https://share.google/bCVxgscXWbetgrRVV

The donated womb is also temporary and has to be removed after pregnancy.
I feel the same as about surrogacy, it's open to exploitation.

It is if you want children and your body is not functioning in the way it should.

I dunno, on one hand there's maintaining or improving current life but for procreation, opens up loads of ethical issues.

Being pregnant can be a very life affirming and amazing experience....and an obviously very human female experience. So much so that many women do it more than once.....

I don't see a problem with it at all. She gets to grow her own baby, way more ethical than using a surrogate. Do the people here with an issue have a problem with other transplants too?!

It will never happen for many reasons but predominantly because men dont have the correct vascular system to connect a womb to so there's no point bringing it up.

To those who say that the dead woman concented to her womb being used in this way, you do realise that you dont have the option to decline to have your womb harvested. I asked about this a couple of years ago when womb transplants became a thing that was possible in the uk. If you dont remove yourself completely from the donor register they can take your womb. So this woman 👩 may have been happy for her heart, lungs or kidney to be harvested but not her womb or not wanting to be an organ donor but hadn't known she needed to be removed from organ donation and they still used her womb.
If womb transplants become the norm then their must be a change in organ donation rules so that you can specify whether they can use your womb in this way or not.

I think it falls into the just because you can doesn't mean you should category. Not everyone is destined to be a parent. Along with having children from a dead partners sperm, its wrong on so many levels.

Because you said:

"I’m very very sure that the doctors performing this know far more about organ donation than I do."

Im sure your quesiness would disappear if you ever need a kidney, heart etc.

@OtterlyAstounding Why do you assume I’m blindly placing faith in doctors!? You don’t know me. You know nothing about me or my experiences, you have absolutely no clue if I’m someone who has never been involved in the medical profession or someone with extensive experiences.
For the record I will take my personal experiences as a foundation on doctors rather than the advice of an unknown voice on the internet.