Baby born from dead donor womb transplant in UK first

Agree!!

and sent to the ai workhouse to process error logs.

Love it 😄

I didn't like the thought of it either. Its creepy.

Adoption severs the legal and emotional bond between a birth family and a child - while that may be in the best interests of the child in that moment, that doesn’t mean it is not a morally ambiguous act by the state. Rates of adoption breakdown are surprisingly high, especially as children get older, often because they struggle enormously with their sense of identity. Children taken into care are often from deeply deprived families who, if given sufficient resources and support, might well be able to parent effectively. Did you know there are countries that do not permit or considerably limit adoption from care? Ireland and New Zealand are two off the top of my head, for cultural and historical reasons. In fact, according to this article (which is older - 2018) the UK is one of only three counties then in the EU who allowed non-consensual adoption, and the one that placed the greatest restrictions on contact between birth families and adopted children https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/18/adoption-has-become-runaway-train-social-workers-cannot-stop

None of that is a reflection on adopters or on adopted people (post-adoption support is often abysmal) but it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t question the powers of the state to remove children from their families forever. You only have to look at the recent case involving “expert” Melanie Gill to see how the system can be flawed.

Yes. It is. Women have been, and still are, treated as lesser when it comes to medical issues, or anything relating to our bodies.

For instance, up until recent years (the last decade) in several western countries medical professionals were still getting medical students to practice pelvic exams on women during surgeries - without their consent. They would never have practised prostate exams on men in the same position.

Which ones? Do you support other organ transplants being that there is evidence of organ harvesting in other countries, I think recently there was a story of a young African boy being trafficked to the UK for such a thing. So, surely you consider all organ donation a risk?

Nobody has even suggested that!!!!

this is a study of 15 women, all of whom are desperate for a child.

I'm not OP of that post, but can elaborate.

Adoption is a fantastic solution for kids who would otherwise be brought up in care, and particularly for those whose parents are unable to give them a stable upbringing because of their own problems, e.g. addiction.

It's not a great solution for infertile couples desperate to have their own child. Sometimes the parents' emotional expectations are not fulfilled, and very often the child will not be wholeheartedly accepted by other family members. The child is likely to notice, and that's a significant burden on mental health while growing up. Some degree of attachment disorder is fairly common.

There are also ethical considerations when adopting from overseas. Even in the UK, back in the 1960s when I was born, there was considerable social pressure on unmarried mothers to give up their babies to more "deserving" married parents – often with a devastating impact on the birth mothers' mental health.

My concern is for women and children being bought and sold.

Yeah, that’s my point, you know about hip replacements! So, nothing about infertility or womb transplants. You’ve jumped on yabbering sarcastically about making a child from a hip replacement and offered absolutely nothing.

A womb is an organ, same as any other. You can’t even argue about ethics surrounding the gametes used because they are the organ recipients own.

So, what is it that you dislike, specifically, about the transplant of an empty uterus, versus a cornea for example?

I think it’s great. Why not? If I died i quite like the idea of part of me staying and helping bring new life into the world. Those saying why can’t we just accept some women can’t have children… you could apply that to anything. Why don’t we accept some people (even children) die of cancer, why can’t we accept some people die of liver failure etc… why would we, if there is a cure? Modern Medicine is amazing.

It’s the slippery slope fallacy in practice

What do you think I know nothing about exactly?
Hip replacements? My Mum had 1 and both knees too
A womb is very different from most other organs and joints.

I genuinely believe women are trafficked and abused and sold on a daily basis.
When there is a lot of money to be made nothing seems to be off the table.
If recent events should have taught us anything its that women are comodities to be traded for money and influence - why not their body parts?

Well surely the risk is the same for kidneys, liver, lungs etc. Should we stop all organ transplantation on that basis?

Is this grounded in reality?

This is a good conversation. It's absolutely right that the ethics and feelings about this are explored - particularly at a time when women's rights have been commodified for the benefit of certain men.

I'm not sure how I feel about this - suspect it's on a par with the immense feelings on knowing that the heart of your deceased loved one is beating in another person's body.

What matters is that this is open to scrutiny and that the despicable charlatans embedded in the NHS and healthcare (alongside all the ethical medics) don't get anywhere near this.

I think the difference there is that people of both sexes can donate kidneys, and I feel that because of that, the checks and balances in place are more rigorous than the ones usually applied when it's only women's rights at stake.

I know - I am not arguing that point, I was just saying that I don't think murdering was the issue the PP had in mind.

Yes but there are safeguards.

I presume you can donate your womb and still live so it would be a concern about coercion.

Well no, because hips don’t grow children do they? But, you know it’s not the same thing don’t you, it’s just a last grasp effort to make a point about a subject that you know nothing about!

They could be coerced into donating kidneys too, but we allow kidney transplants from live donors with safeguards.

Do you genuinely, actually believe that they’re going to kill women for their wombs?

I appreciate that organ donation in general carries risk of abuse. Someone could be coerced into donating a kidney, for example, but we still permit it with safeguards in place. I don't think this is any different.

Its open to abuse of women, especially in poorer communities.