Baby born from dead donor womb transplant in UK first

Its totally fascinating but I seriously doubt it would ever be possible to connect the spinal cord to a different brain.

The consciousness of it is what makes me feel it would be the brain getting a replacement body rather than the other way round.

What sort of illness would someone need to have to actually consider having their brain put into another body?
The only think I can think of would be spinal injury .....
Actually they'd need to find a way of getting spinal cords to heel before considering brain transplants.

Totally fascinating

@Needspaceforlego It's a fascinating subject for sure! It would answer so many questions about the brain and what it means to have consciousness etc. But at what cost? Most of the brain is probably just matter which could be transplanted, it's consciousness and what makes a person them which is where the ethical problems lie. Total science fiction stuff though anyway but super fascinating to contemplate!

I went on a mad train of thought over brain transplants earlier, while I don't think doubt it would ever actually be possible.

I concluded a brain 🧠 transplant would actually be a brain getting a new body.
Presumably the knowledge and self identity would stay with the brain rather than the body.
So putting Dr Smiths brain into Mr Jones's body it wouldn't really be Mr Jones' any more . It would be a Frankenstien monster that is Dr Smith with all his knowledge in a completely different body.

No they don't but don't even get me started on that! However imo this kind of transplant adds another layer to the consent issue.

Well thank goodness for that! If it was possible I'm sure some surgeon would've done it already. Just think of the possibilities though-would that outweigh all the moral and ethical implications? Interesting thought!

What do you think grief does to someone? Its a heartache.

The second a couple decide to try for a baby, they are planning their future with that child. The hopes, the dreams, the plans, the baby, the child, is formed in their minds long before its conceived.

When it isn't conceived there's a grief a heartache for a child which doesn't exist.

Even adoption agencies accept their is a grieving process that couples need to go through before they'll consider them for adoption.

Some might cope better than others but for some its a heartbreaking grief that they need to get over.

I can't think of any scenario where a baby consents to be conceived or born?

Anxiety disorder manifests in physical symptoms like heart arithmia, shortness of breath, tremors, headache, blurred vision, fainting and affects the digestive system. It's physical, not just feelings.

Again not comparable to having a infertile womb, my inability to carry children is not a disability, it does not disable us in any way.
Being sad about it is not a disability.

However we can fantasise about getting the brain of a genius,
I mean imagine getting the brain of say a surgeon, would it remember how to do surgery, would the certificates it earned go with it?

Would your accent stay the same ?

Actually that would be more like the brain getting a whole new body than the body getting a new brain

Makes me think Dogman!!

Its an organ but the spinal cord is really part of the brain along with the optic nerves.
I don't think brain transplant is remotely feasible

Seeing the way other reproductive donations by women are monetised worldwide, and how women are pressured into them, the ethics worry me.

Me too. And not only reproductive donations — I’ve read of Indian villages where women are pretty much expected to sell a kidney.

I am suspicious of any so-called ‘advance’ that increases the ability to exploit women.

Wonder if they'll invent brain transplants next. I mean it's only an organ afterall.

Ok. I’ll rephrase it. It’s the organ for a baby to grow in. But I still don’t see what the issue is. If a childless woman wants my womb when I die, she can have it. Same way that she can have my heart if she needs it too. My heart would give her life and my womb would enable her to give life. All sounds good to me. You have to remember that there were plenty of people who were against test tube babies when that was first launched and now it’s common practice. I’m sure womb transplants will be the same.

Well thats debatable Anxiety is effectively feelings but it can be crippling for those who suffer.

Sonia Sodha on her Substack focus' on the health risks of major surgery to the mother and to a living womb donor.https://soniasodha.substack.com/p/womb-transplants-medical-miracle?r=1iamh&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

Feelings do not make something a disability.

Surrogacy Concern have a twitter thread. They are opposed to womb transplants but focus on live transplants (Link to Nitter) https://nitter.net/SurrogConcern/status/2026538296600383687#m

I have read some bizarre stuff on this site but this just takes the biscuit
Why would the child have any emotional attachment to the womb donor? I consider it to be comparable to IVF. The donated womb is just an organ - admittedly an amazing one used to grow a much wanted baby.
I don't think your situation is in any way the same.

Even blood donation needs to be done within an ethical regulatory framework, so it's not just a question of individual choice.

This!

The ignorance and arrogance of men about women's bodies and our physiology is breath-taking. Women's bodies are organised around our role as conceivers and carriers of a human foetus; it determines our hormones & life cycle as well as our skeletons & arrangement of our internal organs.

Men's bodies are not.

If you read the quote history back you will see that a poster asked what objections anyone could have - so I outlined some.

They also said there are not ethical issues to tangle with (vs surrogacy) - I disagree and gave examples.

Replies then came which dismissed those examples and concerns and described women who are uneasy about this as ridiculous and behind the times.

I didn't think just telling people they're wrong to raise the way they feel and the concerns they have works. A la trans issues etc.

Ffs cannot loan her womb not can bloody auto correct

I wonder whether that poster is a former student who still lives at home, stays in the bedroom in front of computer, phone and TV screens, whose many books and journals line the bookshelves, arranged in alphabetical order. Perhaps there are old pizza boxes waiting to be taken out. There may also be a cat.

No one is asking you to "fling your genitalia into the world" 😂

No one is demanding that you consent to donation. The whole point of these debates is whether people who don't want to do it should be allowed to stop people who do want to do it and if they are trying to stop them for valid ethical reasons or just because they personally think it is disgusting.

No one is going to force a Jehovah's witness to donate blood. The world would rightly be in uproar if they tried to stop everyone else donating and receiving blood though. That's the difference.

'I know nothing about reproduction and believe that the only part of a woman's body that is related to pregnancy is her womb'.