Transman repeatedly platformed at work

I used to work in a public sector organisation that paid these types of speakers. It was was much less efficient than the private sector organisation where I currently work where we don't have time for that.

It was a waste of taxpayer money in my opinion.

There at some good organisations that will
provide speakers on other subjects including menopause - it typically just needs a motivated group of employees to make it happen.

I take heart that there are HR leaders who recognise that these type of talks and other similar HR initiatives have NO impact on individual or organisational efficiency or performance. Its worth a listen.

The debate does remind me of the olden days when I was paid to do a job and didn't need to bring my whole self to work to suceed.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/this-isnt-working/id1733064272?i=1000751233294

If it's an insurance company, a more pertinent talk would be whether there are any areas of society, medical practice or any other things where they anticipate increased risk and payouts in future years.

For example, medical malpractice claims such as the one successfully won in the USA for an adult who feels they were rushed into medical transition - $2million payout was it?. A talk on that case would be very interesting and much more relevant to the workforce I'd have thought.

Or what the consequences might be for a service provider or employer if a woman or girl is attacked by a male bodied individual in a toilet or changing room labelled 'women's' but which in fact is mixed-sex by stealth in their policies. Especially post SC judgement.

I wish I had a workplace where it was legitimate to attend what sound like the types of speakers you'd expect in a community space in work time. I'm just underpaid and overworked with far too much work to fill my working hours.

It's not making me feel as if this insurance company is putting its clients - or the affordability of their insurance - first, gotta say.

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as if
more like, the first lot of attendees weren't sufficiently impressed

I find it interesting that the call has been put out on this thread by someone who clearly thinks the trans person brave and beautiful that people need to "show mercy". If the trans person were not messed up, what would be the need for mercy? They'd be doing fine without it, surely?

I'd just avoid the talk. If they haven't made it mandatory, attendance will be low anyway, and it'll all taper off naturally. Most people just aren't interested in this kind of thing. The fad is already falling out of fashion, and sooner or later this person is going to find themselves marooned on the other side of an outgoing tide. It's sad, really.

Companies have a duty of care and encouraging someone to expose their trauma is not always in that person’s best interests.

We had a trans-identified female come to speak at my workplace and her talk actually helped to peak me and a few colleagues. It was so blindingly obvious that she should have tried to address her poor relationship with her mother instead of deciding to grow a fake penis on her arm. I often think of her and hope she never went through with the surgery. I would see it as part of 'operation let them speak'. Whatever the 'message' of the talk, it won't necessarily be the message people take away from it.
This was in an educational setting though. Bit bizarre in an insurance company, I agree.

The culture of giving a platform to, and indulging, individual suffering ( there's a whole section in bookshops dedicated to misery porn) and nurturing it in the name of identity and inclusion has had its day. It has no place in an office environment and especially when there is a unspoken message that staff are expected to go along with people's delusions and private fantasies.

Yes @POWNewcastleEastWallsend good points

Your comment re 'Katie' Neeves of "cool2btrans" (what an awful, cringey name for an organisation- very "down with the kids') reminded me of how very sickeningly inappropriate that comment was.

Does time spent in these 'events' help the workplace?

Most people are fully immersed in real life and don't need someone else's nonsense displayed in front of them. Particularly those that belong to a cult of denying biological reality and damaging healthy humans.

In the future I hope that this betrayal of biological reality will just be seen as a temporary mental blip on humanity and not any more.

I don't want to know how people have recovered from cancer either, or suffered in poverty but are jolly well off now.

I also note that all of a sudden we've got a number of posts about TM in a way that's unusual.....

Quite.

Almost like that corporate office where they are inviting one back in again soon . . .

That talk sounds quite gruesome and disturbing rather than motivational, so unlikely to boost productivity.

It would certainly boost awareness and I guess would have people scurrying back to their desks to Google how to spot the danger signs and make sure none of their kids get diverted down the path to such a sad and tragic destination.

If the first talk did not cover how they got hooked then it would be useful if this was covered in the second talk.

It reminds me of the spectacular backfiring at the Chartered Institute of Personnel Development (!) when they invited Katie Neeves from Cool2BTrans in to talk. The dirty, giggling pervert regaled the mainly female group about how he used to steal his sister's knickers and how wearing "girl's clothes" made the old man feel "dirty" and "naughty".

thisisntworkingpodcast.co.uk/hrs-dirty-laundry-trans-training-knickers-scandal-rocks-cipd/

This! 100%

Unless there are people from all walks of life being invited in, then why this person?

id be thinking - what do I fill in on my annual CPD return to cover this?!

We've had a speaker on domestic violence. Also menopause, neuro divergence, lots of things. At our workplace it's always been an external speaker rather than an employee.

Could you point out that the details of surgery might be triggering for some and request a warning ahead of future talks?

Platformed ? Emotive word
giving a talk?

One that by the sounds of it supports my opinion that there are severe traumatised people trapped in the ideology. Calling it / dismissive / a sob story is quite disgusting if so.

I suspect if someone who suffered DV volunteered to talk they might also be allowed?

why does this bother you?

This feels like the second transman gotya thread in 2 days - we haven’t had some many transmen threads in a year before now

The company should consider inviting a speaker to give Talks on domestic violence. Domestic abuse is a workplace issue.

Given how fast most companies are banking away from all things trans, I'm surprised they're still doing this. I assume they are still doing the stonewall index thing too

I also note that all of a sudden we've got a number of posts about TM in a way that's unusual.....

Would they invite a white, heterosexual person with two children to come in and explain their journey from squalor and poverty to where they are now?

Well, not if most employees already live that life or know someone who did. The point of such exercises is educate people on something they don't have experience in not to engage oppression olympics.

Unless you’re required to go I’d let them get on with it. We have similar sessions in my organisation. Last week there was a really good one on recognising the symptoms of stress early, and a few months ago there was one on menstrual health which was very useful. He’s probably in again because participants felt the hour wasn’t enough and wanted to learn more.

Would they invite a white, heterosexual person with two children to come in and explain their journey from squalor and poverty to where they are now?

OP's speaker may have been white, heterosexual with two kids? Unless im missing the bit where OP said she was black or childless?

We have this sort of inspirational speaker stuff all the time for what it's worth and can confirm they are often white, heterosexual and have families. Not sure why you think that's a verboten class in the office.

Unless you’re being forced to attend, or it’s being midsdvertised I’m struggling to see an issues.