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StillSpartacus · 27/02/2026 21:05

I’ve been out most of today so am only now catching up. I’m sad and frustrated by the it’s all been fine posts, because in my experience it isn’t fine at all. I’ve yet to meet anyone who has had any intervention, who doesn’t want better results than what they have been left with.

It’s possible to manipulate and manifest, but real biology doesn’t grant your wishes. I truly hope that more evidence of this is published and that no more young people are lied to.

nicepotoftea · 27/02/2026 20:45

To refer to Jacob George's tweet, this doesn't make any difference to biological reality, so shouldn't change anything.

Where are the mocking posts?

impossibletoday · 27/02/2026 20:15

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Puberty Blocker Trial Paused
nolongersurprised · 27/02/2026 20:08

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/02/2026 15:52

She's attracted to boys, which as a trans girl would make her straight, not gay. So "transing away the gay" doesn't fit her.

Isn't a 'trans' girl a boy, and isn't a boy who's attracted to other boys gay and if your child is male and he's sexually attracted to males, then he's homosexual, so how is it not a case of 'transing' the gay away.

After puberty blockers and cross sex hormones any attraction will be largely theoretical from now on. This is a child who will likely be infertile and never have an orgasm, if blocked at Tanner stage 2.

impossibletoday · 27/02/2026 20:02

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Puberty Blocker Trial Paused
BonfireLady · 27/02/2026 18:06

Shedmistress · 27/02/2026 17:35

There is going to be an awful ot of 'its just an anecdote but my child is perfectly fine' threads in the coming few weeks. Buckle in.

Potentially so.

If it's TRAs fabricating stories, these will unravel pretty quickly when the posters realise that they are out of their depth knowledge-wise.

If it's parents of children who took PBs, where those children are now adults, great. I hope they make sure that their records are included in the data linkage study.

If it's parents of children who are still children.... I hope they open up their minds and start to really think about the long term possibilities that their child could face in the future. Simply broadcasting about how great PBs are in an online forum isn't going to help either them or their child. Nobody can predict the future, especially not children (or parents of children) who make life-impacting changes about their bodies.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2026 17:41

Shedmistress · 27/02/2026 17:35

There is going to be an awful ot of 'its just an anecdote but my child is perfectly fine' threads in the coming few weeks. Buckle in.

It's fine it's perfectly fine.

This Is Fine GIF
AmaryllisNightAndDay · 27/02/2026 17:36

Kirschcherries · 27/02/2026 17:29

Yes he is indeed! And that is good news.But I just wish that starting the puberty blocker trial was in some way conditional on the results of the data linkage trial.

Shedmistress · 27/02/2026 17:35

There is going to be an awful ot of 'its just an anecdote but my child is perfectly fine' threads in the coming few weeks. Buckle in.

Kirschcherries · 27/02/2026 17:29

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 27/02/2026 16:59

Is he? I didn't know.

I only found out reading this thread.
https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2026-02-26/hcws1369

SternJoyousBeev2 · 27/02/2026 17:18

Datun · 27/02/2026 16:12

Indeed. I may be cynical, but there's a damn good reason for that.

Personally, I'm always a little suspicious about the ideological language being deployed. It indicates less a concerned parent, and more someone totally bought into the entire issue.

Plus the massive in-depth knowledge about studies that have since been trashed, but a distinct lack of curiosity about the reasons for the child transitioning in the first place.

That's not to say that I don't have tremendous sympathy for parents whose child wants to transition. It's one of the reasons why I want it out of schools, and to be constantly challenged on social media.

It must be a living nightmare for parents whose children are caught up in it. And it's the means by which they are caught up in it that has made me cynical in the first place.

Posting on zombie threads and also repeating the nonsense about the origins of the Stonewall riots….

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 27/02/2026 16:59

Kirschcherries · 27/02/2026 16:58

Just catching up. So glad Wes is looking at the existing data. It’s the right call.

Is he? I didn't know.

Kirschcherries · 27/02/2026 16:58

Just catching up. So glad Wes is looking at the existing data. It’s the right call.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 27/02/2026 16:54

BonfireLady · 27/02/2026 16:41

@sarahd89 , taking everything you are saying here at face value, I do hope this isn't all coming across as a pile-on. Thank you for being here and for engaging.

As a parent, it's awful hearing your child say they wish they were dead. I've had that experience - my daughter has said it on more than one occasion. I've also had the experience of my daughter kicking and hitting me, at one point pretty much on a daily basis. She wouldn't leave her room for months. She's not an only child, so we also had to think about sibling safety in this mix. In short, it was horrendous and the really intense period lasted months.

Everything began with her asking us for puberty blockers, just before her 13th birthday. She then backtracked a few days later and said it had been a joke. Then asked for them again after a couple of months and it was clear that she was serious. She said she didn't know if she was really a girl and this medicine would give her time to think about that. This was somewhat of a surprise, as I knew nothing about gender identity at the time, but taking a pause seemed reasonable. At this point, we looked at the NHS website which said that the impact on the developing teenage brain is unknown... So we told her she couldn't have them.

I'm intrigued by your reference to the alternative to PBs being "doing nothing". I didn't do nothing. I joined a "trans parents' network" at my work to listen to other parents, I bought a book on gender dysphoria (it's an excellent book, written by Sue and Marcus Evans) and taught myself how to listen to what my daughter was telling me about her distress and how to do a differential diagnosis to unpick and then start to slowly address what might be causing the dysphoria. I felt lost and scared. I didn't know what I was doing and my daughter's mental health was getting worse and worse.

Fast forward to now, nearly 4 years later, and she's going to school, doing all her hobbies again (music, football and more) and (for the most part) thriving, albeit while still in recovery from the trauma of being bullied at school for a sustained period of time. Despite the mostly positive direction of travel, we're still having to follow a watchful waiting approach because she's still really unhappy about her developing body. She would still love to take testosterone if it was safe to do so - she's told me this recently. She knows she's female though and she knows that taking testosterone wouldn't change this. I'm hoping that as she continues to mature, she will continue to reconcile with her body. She's making progress on this. Although she still hates periods - she only gets them occasionally, because she's on the pill - she no longer screams the house down, self-harms or attacks family members when she gets them.

Our stories are obviously different but it feels like there are some similarities and it comes across very strongly how much you love your child. And how hard it's been working out what's best, with so much conflicting information.

I have a few questions. How old was your child when:

  1. PBs were started?
  2. everyone started using she/her pronouns to describe your child
  3. feelings of distress about "gender" were first obvious?

One thing that jumps out at me hugely in terms of difference between your and my experiences, as mums of children who have expressed gender dysphoria, is that when I first heard that PBs had an unknown impact on the developing brain, that became a hard line "no" for me. Not matter what, this was never going to change. By contrast, you said (and I hope I get this right, as I'm paraphrasing from a post of yours earlier) that the science isn't settled yet on brain development impact.

Apologies if this comes across as judgemental, but I genuinely find it astounding that anyone would support their child's brain being experimented upon with unsettled science. I truly hope that your child continues to feel happy and is able to mature into adulthood without cognitive impairment. I can't remember which PP said it, but I would love to know that all the children who had been given PBs for gender dysphoria were now thriving as adults. That would be amazing. But it sadly seems highly unlikely, or there wouldn't be all this reluctance from the adult gender clinics to share the long term outcomes of the GIDS patients.

Edited to add that I'm taking what you're saying here in this thread at face value. After writing my comment above I saw i couple of people commenting that you've been on other threads talking about why males (who identify as women) should be allowed into women's refuges. If that's also true, I would like to clarify that I have no empathy/sympathy for that viewpoint whatsoever. That's a hard no from me.

Edited

Absolutely fantastic post. I’m so sorry you’ve gone through such a tough time. Going through a rough period with my teenage DS (not gender related) at the moment so can empathise.

Also cannot fathom any parent wanting to give an experimental treatment to their otherwise healthy child.

Wish you and your DD the best.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 27/02/2026 16:53

I was listening to a recent interview with Hannah Barnes where she said that one of the most surprising and distressing things about her investigation into the Tavistock was talking to ex-patients about how much the homophobia that she thought had gone away since the 1980s was still rampant in schools and how deeply those young people had suffered from it. And how much better it had been for them socially at school to be "trans" than to be or seem effeminate gay or butch/tomboy lesbian.

What parents should do is what clinicians used to do: reassure, watch and wait. Because if you don't affirm and you don't medicate then more than half and up to 90% (studies vary) will desist and settle into their own bodies. "Watch and wait" is the best treatment so far and medical intervention must be proven to give better results than that or it shouldn't be used at all, because of the negative effects it has on physical health, fertility and all the rest.

What would evidence need to show for you to consider that medical intervention might be appropriate for some young people?

I would consider it if there was:
(a) some evidence that anyone knew how to distinguish those children for whom it would be appropriate from the others. A vague "might" is not good enough when the physical effects of medical interventions are so unhealthy in themselves. Doctors need to be able to pick out a group for whom medical intervention will is more likely to be better than just leaving them alone; and so far no-one has found such a group;

(b) some evidence that the long-term effects of medical interventions - not just one or two years but 10 or 20 - are more positive than negative. The Tavistock (followed by adult clinics) has been transitioning children and young people for many years now and this evidence should have been collected and at least some of it could still be collected and needs to be collected before we start doing very risky things to yet more children and young people. The current puberty blocker trial is only funded for 2 years so it's no use.

BonfireLady · 27/02/2026 16:41

@sarahd89 , taking everything you are saying here at face value, I do hope this isn't all coming across as a pile-on. Thank you for being here and for engaging.

As a parent, it's awful hearing your child say they wish they were dead. I've had that experience - my daughter has said it on more than one occasion. I've also had the experience of my daughter kicking and hitting me, at one point pretty much on a daily basis. She wouldn't leave her room for months. She's not an only child, so we also had to think about sibling safety in this mix. In short, it was horrendous and the really intense period lasted months.

Everything began with her asking us for puberty blockers, just before her 13th birthday. She then backtracked a few days later and said it had been a joke. Then asked for them again after a couple of months and it was clear that she was serious. She said she didn't know if she was really a girl and this medicine would give her time to think about that. This was somewhat of a surprise, as I knew nothing about gender identity at the time, but taking a pause seemed reasonable. At this point, we looked at the NHS website which said that the impact on the developing teenage brain is unknown... So we told her she couldn't have them.

I'm intrigued by your reference to the alternative to PBs being "doing nothing". I didn't do nothing. I joined a "trans parents' network" at my work to listen to other parents, I bought a book on gender dysphoria (it's an excellent book, written by Sue and Marcus Evans) and taught myself how to listen to what my daughter was telling me about her distress and how to do a differential diagnosis to unpick and then start to slowly address what might be causing the dysphoria. I felt lost and scared. I didn't know what I was doing and my daughter's mental health was getting worse and worse.

Fast forward to now, nearly 4 years later, and she's going to school, doing all her hobbies again (music, football and more) and (for the most part) thriving, albeit while still in recovery from the trauma of being bullied at school for a sustained period of time. Despite the mostly positive direction of travel, we're still having to follow a watchful waiting approach because she's still really unhappy about her developing body. She would still love to take testosterone if it was safe to do so - she's told me this recently. She knows she's female though and she knows that taking testosterone wouldn't change this. I'm hoping that as she continues to mature, she will continue to reconcile with her body. She's making progress on this. Although she still hates periods - she only gets them occasionally, because she's on the pill - she no longer screams the house down, self-harms or attacks family members when she gets them.

Our stories are obviously different but it feels like there are some similarities and it comes across very strongly how much you love your child. And how hard it's been working out what's best, with so much conflicting information.

I have a few questions. How old was your child when:

  1. PBs were started?
  2. everyone started using she/her pronouns to describe your child
  3. feelings of distress about "gender" were first obvious?

One thing that jumps out at me hugely in terms of difference between your and my experiences, as mums of children who have expressed gender dysphoria, is that when I first heard that PBs had an unknown impact on the developing brain, that became a hard line "no" for me. Not matter what, this was never going to change. By contrast, you said (and I hope I get this right, as I'm paraphrasing from a post of yours earlier) that the science isn't settled yet on brain development impact.

Apologies if this comes across as judgemental, but I genuinely find it astounding that anyone would support their child's brain being experimented upon with unsettled science. I truly hope that your child continues to feel happy and is able to mature into adulthood without cognitive impairment. I can't remember which PP said it, but I would love to know that all the children who had been given PBs for gender dysphoria were now thriving as adults. That would be amazing. But it sadly seems highly unlikely, or there wouldn't be all this reluctance from the adult gender clinics to share the long term outcomes of the GIDS patients.

Edited to add that I'm taking what you're saying here in this thread at face value. After writing my comment above I saw i couple of people commenting that you've been on other threads talking about why males (who identify as women) should be allowed into women's refuges. If that's also true, I would like to clarify that I have no empathy/sympathy for that viewpoint whatsoever. That's a hard no from me.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2026 16:25

DameProfessorIDareSay · 27/02/2026 16:18

A number of threads do seem to have been targeted today; someone sent up the ‘Danger! Women are talking!’ balloon again.

Quiet day on Reddit.

Datun · 27/02/2026 16:23

Indeed. Plus the very concerned mother of a teenage boy has an awful lot to say about why men should be allowed in rape refuges on another thread.

And yes, there's something of ChatGPT to the beginning of all the posts.

Seriestwo · 27/02/2026 16:22

I’m so tired of the assumption that nobody with an opposing view from TRAs really understands the issues, we just need some empathy and insights. This gender stuff has wreaked havoc in my family and it’s not done with us yet.

DameProfessorIDareSay · 27/02/2026 16:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/02/2026 16:16

Are we being spammed by the 'trans'bots again. They really don't like it when women are not talking about them, 'we'll put a stop to that, unleash the bots'. 🤖

A number of threads do seem to have been targeted today; someone sent up the ‘Danger! Women are talking!’ balloon again.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/02/2026 16:16

Are we being spammed by the 'trans'bots again. They really don't like it when women are not talking about them, 'we'll put a stop to that, unleash the bots'. 🤖

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2026 16:16

Datun · 27/02/2026 16:12

Indeed. I may be cynical, but there's a damn good reason for that.

Personally, I'm always a little suspicious about the ideological language being deployed. It indicates less a concerned parent, and more someone totally bought into the entire issue.

Plus the massive in-depth knowledge about studies that have since been trashed, but a distinct lack of curiosity about the reasons for the child transitioning in the first place.

That's not to say that I don't have tremendous sympathy for parents whose child wants to transition. It's one of the reasons why I want it out of schools, and to be constantly challenged on social media.

It must be a living nightmare for parents whose children are caught up in it. And it's the means by which they are caught up in it that has made me cynical in the first place.

It's all rainbows, glitter and sugar coated "and we all lived happily ever after" isn't it? Instaperfect. Which we know is just completely bollocks.

Datun · 27/02/2026 16:12

borntobequiet · 27/02/2026 15:49

What a very convincing account of the perfect, idealised transition we have been given.

Indeed. I may be cynical, but there's a damn good reason for that.

Personally, I'm always a little suspicious about the ideological language being deployed. It indicates less a concerned parent, and more someone totally bought into the entire issue.

Plus the massive in-depth knowledge about studies that have since been trashed, but a distinct lack of curiosity about the reasons for the child transitioning in the first place.

That's not to say that I don't have tremendous sympathy for parents whose child wants to transition. It's one of the reasons why I want it out of schools, and to be constantly challenged on social media.

It must be a living nightmare for parents whose children are caught up in it. And it's the means by which they are caught up in it that has made me cynical in the first place.

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