Puberty Blocker Trial Paused

Thanks for the link, it hits the nail on the head over and over.

"If you are convinced that you are living in a state of persecution, then retaliation can feel like self-defense. History is replete with movements whose adherents believed they were striking back, not lashing out. These people think they’re the good guys."

Which is a good description of the Bash Back, they think they're 'striking back' when all they're doing is 'lashing out' and they're definitely convinced themselves they're 'good guys'. The Reddit threads that people keep linking to are full of comments from people who seem convinced they're living in a 'state of persecution'.

Or just that they're liars.

I agree but I think many people haven't paused to think about it deeply enough to realise details like that or what that means. Certainly within government I don't think many people care enough about women and children to do that kind of thinking.

I remember when I first heard talk of these drugs being used to "pause puberty" and "give thinking time"; it didn't occur to me that any child would be permanently prevented from going through puberty or that it was completely experimental. If you broadly trust public institutions and hear headlines in passing you won't necessarily chart it all the way through to such a shocking conclusion.

I notice that "gender incongruence" suddenly seems to be the preferred term, which is even less definable and more disturbing than the previous terms. It feels like they're trying to create a new cloak of respectability for what is still ultimately an ideology.

Ironically, the suggestion that these treatments are life saving suggests an inability to accept the existence of the many trans identifying adults who were not prevented from going through puberty.

But what is 'gender distress'? What is a gender?

Why would anyone assume that the permanent prevention of puberty is a cure for anything?

Regarding gendered souls , I saw this shared on SM yesterday. KJK makes two especially striking points here:

"The modern state may treat self-description as an act of courage that we must not doubt....."

and (my favourite)

"Trans doesn’t exist beyond language. It means nothing."

The whole piece is worth reading, if only to pull back to first principles a bit. We're all neck deep in it, but sometimes there are such basic truths like above, that we forget about.

archive.ph/lSdfm

Transgender Trend pointing out that the headline to this should be:

"Puberty blockers trial paused by regulators who signed it off"

https://x.com/Transgendertrd/status/2025149963643064501

Again this highlights that there are some very dangerous to children people in powerful positions in the NHS.

It was shown so clearly by the grooming scandal. All responsibility off loaded onto the children so that adults didn't have to do anything.

Love Kirsty. A voice of reason - one of many - that came out of that place.

Or they know but don’t care? Have different motivations? For many people it’s not about the health and well being of children. Sad but true.

I listened to this interview with Kirsty Entwistle, one of the Tavistock whistleblowers. She explained very clearly how her previous professional experience in a Rochdale children's home had shown her that children will cry and scream and rage to be able to do things that are desperately harmful and which you are trying to protect them from.

It's incredible how many professionals have been blinded to that with gender issues. It's like they know nothing about child development or psychology.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0ksl8s9?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

‘The trial is funded by the National Institute for Health and Care Research (NIHR) and NHS England. ‘

So basically - we (the uk tax payers) were going to pay for it. We are the sponsors.

I think there’s a big difference between what’s actually best for these kids & what seems best to them. Trans Reddit is full of desperate teenagers wanting to get hold of oestrogen or testosterone because they think that’s the best thing for them.

Testosterone can be prescribed currently from age 17 online, with no restrictions other than a self diagnosis, as a cross sex hormone or to those who consider themselves non binary. Any gender questioning female under 30 is still at terrible risk irriversable harm. They're sometimes told they can stop at any time without consequences.

Unfortunately a lot of these kids are influenced by what they've seen on the internet and a sense of community.

Which is another good reason why a ban on social media for children can't come soon enough. Children shouldn't have smartphones or unsupervised internet access. As a society, I don't know what possessed us to ever allow that, never mind normalise it

I would also use the word "groomed" not "influenced" for what has happened to these children online.

Unfortunately a lot of these kids are influenced by what they've seen on the internet and a sense of community. Theyve grown up in that time, also being encouraged to question their identity. Medical affirmation has been made to look safe, suggested by the NHS too, they're not told about the true risks. Some won't grow out of it soon enough. Testosterone is still available online it causes harm to young adult women too. It's often too late before they become aware of the harm. They close themselves off from any concerns from family and sometimes reject them. Even testosterone causes sudden menopause usually after 2 years. Not a gradual change.This means osteoporosis, incontinent, aching stiff joints often before they're 30.

Agree. I also think TwoLoons's analysis above is very good.

Proponents of puberty blockers usually say they act as a "pause button", ie by delaying puberty for a couple of years you give the child time to think about their gender dysphoria, the implication being that the gender dysphoria might resolve on its own.

The obvious flaw with this is that by blocking puberty, you are also blocking the brain development that would enable the gender dysphoria to resolve. We know that in the vast majority of gender dysphoric kids who go through puberty, the dysphoria does resolve. So by giving them puberty blockers you are actively creating an outcome that probably wouldn't happen if you just allowed them to go through puberty.

And I know - there are lots of other reasons to be opposed to puberty blockers, ably pointed out by various PPs.

@JustSomeWaferThinHam please do take the advice/offer of help regarding reporting that family to social services, those children need protecting.

Thank you @SingleSexSpacesInSchools for the input.

I once had a conversation with a 'support trans kids!' poster on twitter, where she wanged on about health care and I said but there's nothing wrong with these children, their bodies are fine just as they are. She agreed. Yes, these kids are fine as they are, there's nothing wrong with them. I said great, we're in agreement, these kids are perfect just as they are, they're healthy and normal, nothing needs to be changed.

Why do they need medication and surgery, then?

She couldn't explain it.

So we are stuck. As long as this theory persists, it will not be possible to run the trials that should be run.

All of this. Yes. Thank you.
This more simply and clearly states the point I was trying to make earlier.

And the government's proposed 'conversion' bill is central to its continuance.

But also, the existence of many thousands who have been through 'gender affirming' surgery and the people who have encouraged them to do so will offer, understandably, the greatest reistance.

The underlying challenge here is being clear what a good outcome looks like for these kids. If it could be agreed that the best outcome is kids becoming less distressed and being supported to become comfortable with the bodies they have, as opposed to a life time of medication and intervention, that would make trials so much easier. Any other question being asked it would be crystal clear that a life free of on going medication is the best option. But as we know this would meet cries of conversion therapy, and lack of respect for gendered souls. So we are stuck. As long as this theory persists, it will not be possible to run the trials that should be run

Testosterone is a class C controlled drug, like ketamine and nitrous oxide. Estrogen isn’t, it’s just a prescription only medicine, so it doesn’t attract the same attention from the police etc.

Maybe that should change?

Sometimes time is the greatest healer. People can be in therapy for many years and it is only when the time is right that they feel a sense of relief and release from what it was that was burdening them. Simply monitoring someone's mental health for a couple of years gives no indication of that.

The conditions and relationships in our life inevitably change with the passage of time and with that so do many of our former responses to life's difficulties.

If this was cocaine of fentanyl I can’t understand only assume the police would actually take some notice. This is just plain sight?