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Working Group - KCSIE 2026 changes - improve the guidance via the consultation process, promote more responses & more

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/02/2026 12:47

Hello everyone - I was hoping to start a working group of some sort in order to respond to the proposed changes to KCSIE (Keeping Children Safe In Education)

Press release https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-publish-new-gender-guidance-for-schools

Proposed changes and response mechanism https://consult.education.gov.uk/independent-education-and-school-safeguarding-division/keeping-children-safe-in-education-2026-revisions/

I have a large personal interest in this. If you are not aware, I am the father in this article in The Times https://archive.ph/C4eXs

Can we come together to build a strategy of supporting the parts the changes which are great, for example the very clear statements of toilets and changing rooms being single sex?

And think how to propose possible changes to the statements about sport and especially about allowing social transitioning at school?

I'd very much love to hear your ideas and suggestions. I don't want to lead the group especially or tell anyone what to do - I am certain there are people with more knowledge than me, but I thought I could start off the conversation?

Government to publish new gender guidance for schools

Guidance for gender questioning children is clear schools should take a careful approach when a child asks to social transition.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-publish-new-gender-guidance-for-schools

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/04/2026 13:27

Transgender Trend have a quick guide to completing the key sections if anyone would find it helpful:

www.transgendertrend.com/kcsie-draft-guidance-consultation/

BonfireLady · 13/04/2026 12:52

Cantunseeit · 13/04/2026 11:53

Finally reached the end of the form. There are a couple of boxes for general feedback and a final question:

61. Is there anything missing from KCSIE that would help you safeguard children more effectively?

Could be used as overspill or make the point re staff access to single sex facilities possibly?

Well done! And yes, agreed. Also about accurately recording the sex of staff. I agree that 273 covers recording it for children.... and with your points about how that doesn't work with "stealth". The same issue applies to staff being in stealth - even where it's blindingly obvious what sex a person is, if they claim to be the opposite sex (and have a passport that says they are), it amounts to the same problem.

Cantunseeit · 13/04/2026 11:53

Finally reached the end of the form. There are a couple of boxes for general feedback and a final question:

61. Is there anything missing from KCSIE that would help you safeguard children more effectively?

Could be used as overspill or make the point re staff access to single sex facilities possibly?

Cantunseeit · 13/04/2026 11:44

BonfireLady · 13/04/2026 07:41

To add:

Given schools (and local authorities re pupil admissions) can use passports to determine someone's sex for the purposes of the school's records... and anyone can currently obtain a passport stating that they are the opposite sex... the KCSIE should probably have a statement that for safeguarding purposes, all staff and students must have their sex recorded on the school system in accordance with the definition of the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act. There may also need to be clarification in the KCSIE that for school staff with a GRC, the record of the staff member's sex will need to be managed in accordance with the GRA.

If this isn't clarified in the KCSIE, it will likely drop through a gap.

I think paragraph 273 covers this point?

"Correct information
273. Having the correct information about a child is important in the context of schools and colleges fulfilling their safeguarding duties, and they should make sure all relevant staff are aware of a child’s biological sex in all cases. Schools and colleges are legally required to record a child’s biological sex accurately wherever it is recorded."

Which is not possible to comply with if "living in stealth" as per 274 and 258.

I'm sure all the comments will be filed in the bin and the doc will sail through based on the quant data from the "yes" or "no" questions but nevertheless I find it frustrating that they only allow such short space for comment on 25 paragraphs which really need detailed explanations and links to the evidence to back up the explanations. Why ask if you don't want the answer!

ETA: "you" being DfE in this case not any posters here!

Cantunseeit · 13/04/2026 08:57

🤣 I was going to confess to being an atrocious speller but seeing what came out I think that must have been an auto correct special!

The residential section looks OK but I haven’t dissected it like the ST section. It definitely needs the same point making in relation to adults though

BonfireLady · 13/04/2026 08:52

Cantunseeit · 13/04/2026 07:52

Thanks @BonfireLady it’s a good point to add to the toilet section.

Being a total pendent I found it frustrating that this question included accommodation/ boarding but the relevant paragraphs aren’t included in the question (it’s only toilets and changing rooms, accom comes in a later section) I’ve wasted characters pointing this out 😬 I will repurpose to make a valuable point.

Ha! I had the same pedantic thoughts. I had to read the question 34 and the wording in the KCSIE paragraphs to which it referred a couple of times, to make sure I wasn't going mad.

However, I hadn't yet spotted that there is another section about accommodation, so thank you for that. I hope it doesn't contradict with the Equality Act, like the sports information does.

Ps can I also be pedantic about your spelling of the word pedant... or is that going a step too far? 😉 I'm assuming it's autocorrect that let you down here 😬😂

Cantunseeit · 13/04/2026 07:52

Thanks @BonfireLady it’s a good point to add to the toilet section.

Being a total pendent I found it frustrating that this question included accommodation/ boarding but the relevant paragraphs aren’t included in the question (it’s only toilets and changing rooms, accom comes in a later section) I’ve wasted characters pointing this out 😬 I will repurpose to make a valuable point.

BonfireLady · 13/04/2026 07:41

BonfireLady · 13/04/2026 07:06

@Cantunseeit (and all) apologies for the bum steer I gave on trying to accommodate these two comments in the feedback form. I've now had a look at the format of the form and can see that they fall under different questions.. and that the free text box character limit applies per question.

Point 1 (staff accessing residential accommodation etc) falls under question 34 on the feedback form: "do paragraphs 104-115 provide clarity for schools and colleges about their legal obligations relating to toilets, changing rooms and boarding and residential accommodation".

The answer is no, regarding staff accessing residential accommodation (on school trips or at residential schools), toilets or changing facilities for children of the opposite sex. The guidance links out to several bits of legislation but it's unclear which one states that staff shouldn't access facilities for the opposite sex. Does anyone know which piece of legislation it falls under? I had a look at a few but couldn't find any wording that covered it.

It's frustrating that the section in which this question sits only refers to gender questioning children and not staff with opposite sex identities as well. From the KCSIE wording, such staff appear to be irrelevant to the safeguarding of children, as they aren't mentioned anywhere else either, which is bonkers.

And point 2 re sports comes under question 35: "do paragraphs 94-97 provide clarity for schools and colleges about the circumstances in which the school is justified in having a policy of single-sex sports"

So thankfully it's not as bad as I thought re character limits.

Edited for clarity.

Edited

To add:

Given schools (and local authorities re pupil admissions) can use passports to determine someone's sex for the purposes of the school's records... and anyone can currently obtain a passport stating that they are the opposite sex... the KCSIE should probably have a statement that for safeguarding purposes, all staff and students must have their sex recorded on the school system in accordance with the definition of the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act. There may also need to be clarification in the KCSIE that for school staff with a GRC, the record of the staff member's sex will need to be managed in accordance with the GRA.

If this isn't clarified in the KCSIE, it will likely drop through a gap.

BonfireLady · 13/04/2026 07:06

BonfireLady · 12/04/2026 14:05

Also, if space..

  1. No staff must access single-sex facilities designated for the opposite sex (on school premises or school trips)

  2. No child must partake in any lessons for the opposite sex, where such lessons have been designated single-sex

(I've gone with 'must' as this reflects laws on single-sex provisions)

Point 1 adds staff to the existing wording (that only covers children). I can't imagine I've got children at the only UK school with a situation where a male teacher may have access to girls' spaces.

Point 2 covers the current fudge on PE lessons (where the clarity on single-sex lessons has bizarrely only been confirmed re safety).

Edited

@Cantunseeit (and all) apologies for the bum steer I gave on trying to accommodate these two comments in the feedback form. I've now had a look at the format of the form and can see that they fall under different questions.. and that the free text box character limit applies per question.

Point 1 (staff accessing residential accommodation etc) falls under question 34 on the feedback form: "do paragraphs 104-115 provide clarity for schools and colleges about their legal obligations relating to toilets, changing rooms and boarding and residential accommodation".

The answer is no, regarding staff accessing residential accommodation (on school trips or at residential schools), toilets or changing facilities for children of the opposite sex. The guidance links out to several bits of legislation but it's unclear which one states that staff shouldn't access facilities for the opposite sex. Does anyone know which piece of legislation it falls under? I had a look at a few but couldn't find any wording that covered it.

It's frustrating that the section in which this question sits only refers to gender questioning children and not staff with opposite sex identities as well. From the KCSIE wording, such staff appear to be irrelevant to the safeguarding of children, as they aren't mentioned anywhere else either, which is bonkers.

And point 2 re sports comes under question 35: "do paragraphs 94-97 provide clarity for schools and colleges about the circumstances in which the school is justified in having a policy of single-sex sports"

So thankfully it's not as bad as I thought re character limits.

Edited for clarity.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 12/04/2026 16:14

In terms of adults I think it's more clear cut that children should only use sex-based pronouns for safeguarding reasons. IIRC in the Andrew Miller / Amy George case the judge actually stated that the child who was abducted and sexually assaulted probably got in the car as he was dressed as a woman.

What didn't get explored in the court case was to what extent she'd been groomed into ignoring her instincts around sex and safeguarding in order to 'be kind'.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 12/04/2026 16:06

noblegiraffe · 08/04/2026 10:28

you call someone who's black 'black' or someone who's white 'white' that's an observation, it's not a slur. Using correct pronouns is the same for transpeople, it's simple material reality. It's really not offensive. There are transphobic terms, correct pronouns are not.

I don't think that the general public is with you on this one.

They really are, they just are afraid to say so for fear of cancellation / firing.

Also, if even the TRAs can't do it in a court of law consistently I think whether or not it's rude is the least of the problems with it.

I also agree with @BonfireLady that to demand speech that is against a person's beliefs is also rude, so where does that leave us? Who decides who gets to be rude with impunity?

Cantunseeit · 12/04/2026 15:03

@BonfireLady I have 30 characters in hand. It’s v tight. Difficult to do more than throw key words at it but they don’t make sense without explaining Fortunately ASD is 3 characters so I’ll have a go!

ScrollingLeaves · 12/04/2026 14:47

Thank you both.

BonfireLady · 12/04/2026 14:05

Also, if space..

  1. No staff must access single-sex facilities designated for the opposite sex (on school premises or school trips)

  2. No child must partake in any lessons for the opposite sex, where such lessons have been designated single-sex

(I've gone with 'must' as this reflects laws on single-sex provisions)

Point 1 adds staff to the existing wording (that only covers children). I can't imagine I've got children at the only UK school with a situation where a male teacher may have access to girls' spaces.

Point 2 covers the current fudge on PE lessons (where the clarity on single-sex lessons has bizarrely only been confirmed re safety).

BonfireLady · 12/04/2026 13:54

Cantunseeit · 12/04/2026 08:56

What have I missed?

Embeds a highly contested idea into KCSIE without context

Uses activist language to normalise social transition & imply it is positive / lowkey

Does not explain risks of harm or evidence that 66%-95% children will desist without intervention (Cass p67)

Buries info on “detransition”. Desistance is the norm and schools should keep options open to avoid cementing the child in distress. Does not make clear there is no way to tell which children will desist

Assumes throughout that school will be making a decision that it is NOT qualified to do. Partially quotes Cass p164 “This is not a role that can be taken by staff without appropriate clinical training.” but does not spell out what action a school should take

Contains loopholes enabling schools not to inform parents. These must be closed. There can be no exceptions to safeguarding principles. Teachers must not “keep secrets”

Selectively quotes Cass and is self-contradictory. Children “living is stealth” is particularly egregious & does not safeguard the child or others. This section contradicts par 273

Protection for religion/belief and avoidance of compelled speech is not clear or strong enough

This is great. Have you got room to mention autism as a possible root cause distress? According to Cass ~35% of referrals to GIDS (2010-2019) were autistic. Two GIDS clinicians estimated it at 48% when considering autistic traits, in that same time period. And (anecdotally) I would anticipate this percentage is now even higher - when you see or hear about children with gender dysphoria in more recent years, the vast majority seem to be autistic.

Perhaps your first bullet could be expanded e.g.

Embeds a contested idea (gender identity and social transition) into KCSIE without context e.g. without considering the risk of conflation where children may be experiencing autism-related puberty distress.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/04/2026 09:14

Cantunseeit · 12/04/2026 08:56

What have I missed?

Embeds a highly contested idea into KCSIE without context

Uses activist language to normalise social transition & imply it is positive / lowkey

Does not explain risks of harm or evidence that 66%-95% children will desist without intervention (Cass p67)

Buries info on “detransition”. Desistance is the norm and schools should keep options open to avoid cementing the child in distress. Does not make clear there is no way to tell which children will desist

Assumes throughout that school will be making a decision that it is NOT qualified to do. Partially quotes Cass p164 “This is not a role that can be taken by staff without appropriate clinical training.” but does not spell out what action a school should take

Contains loopholes enabling schools not to inform parents. These must be closed. There can be no exceptions to safeguarding principles. Teachers must not “keep secrets”

Selectively quotes Cass and is self-contradictory. Children “living is stealth” is particularly egregious & does not safeguard the child or others. This section contradicts par 273

Protection for religion/belief and avoidance of compelled speech is not clear or strong enough

That looks great. Thank you.

I've set aside some time later today to work on mine and will post of I can think of anything else.

And yes - Stephanie is great. TT offer such a wealth of support - a brilliant organisation.

Cantunseeit · 12/04/2026 08:56

What have I missed?

Embeds a highly contested idea into KCSIE without context

Uses activist language to normalise social transition & imply it is positive / lowkey

Does not explain risks of harm or evidence that 66%-95% children will desist without intervention (Cass p67)

Buries info on “detransition”. Desistance is the norm and schools should keep options open to avoid cementing the child in distress. Does not make clear there is no way to tell which children will desist

Assumes throughout that school will be making a decision that it is NOT qualified to do. Partially quotes Cass p164 “This is not a role that can be taken by staff without appropriate clinical training.” but does not spell out what action a school should take

Contains loopholes enabling schools not to inform parents. These must be closed. There can be no exceptions to safeguarding principles. Teachers must not “keep secrets”

Selectively quotes Cass and is self-contradictory. Children “living is stealth” is particularly egregious & does not safeguard the child or others. This section contradicts par 273

Protection for religion/belief and avoidance of compelled speech is not clear or strong enough

Cantunseeit · 12/04/2026 08:54

Morning all, I was at the march in London yesterday and had the opportunity to thank Stephanie Davies Arai for all her work (and have a bit of blub and a hug). Some of her must have rubbed off as I woke up today with some inspo! I will post below my draft 2 which fits the character count.

BonfireLady · 11/04/2026 10:47

BonfireLady · 11/04/2026 10:33

Convince me that it isn’t the polite thing to do and that misgendering isn’t rude.

Realised I had missed this ⬆️

This is a tough one a few reasons:

  1. for anyone who doesn't believe in gender identity, there is no such thing as "misgendering"
  2. it's impossible to know for certain (although there are often several clues) whether someone who has preferred pronouns that differ from their sex gets a sexual thrill from having their gender identity validated e.g. a male being referred to as "she" or "Miss"
  3. notwithstanding point 2, there are people who genuinely feel offended at "misgendering" (both trans-identified people and allies) because they believe it is disrespectful

So no, I can't convince you it isn't rude, because to some people it is - point 3.

But on the flip side, to some people (e.g. me) being coerced and guilt-tripped into using words I don't believe is rude- point 1.

Equally, I find the idea of being expected to participate in someone's sexual fetish rude - point 2. Obviously we never know what people are thinking but if someone is giving away clues (hiding in plain sight) that they are an autogynophile, I find it rude that there would be an expectation from them and others around them I'd join in with it by actively using opposite-sex pronouns. No thank you.

Ultimately, it's rude to expect anyone to use words that don't represent their own values. If trans(-identifying) people (or their allies) can't accept that I am making an effort to avoid causing upset by completely avoiding all pronouns when referring to trans(-identifying) people in the singular, then they are the ones with the problem. I use they/them for sentences involving plurals e.g. when talking about transwomen or transmen.

Equally, I don't expect anyone else to follow my values. If it's important to someone that they use sex-based pronouns to describe people at all times, grea - it's a reflection of their own values, biology and standard grammar. It's also logical e.g. as laid out very well in the "pronouns are rohypnol" essay. My caveat for supporting it as "not rude" (by my own values) would be that it's not being done maliciously e.g. repeatedly and pointedly doing it in a situation where the person's sex is irrelevant. TBH I personally find any form of pronoun policing, telling people what pronouns to use, rude and when I see people doing it online, I do a silent eye-roll and scroll past. Pronoun battles become tedious because no consensus will ever be reached. There is no objective threshold of what's rude and what's not on anything in life, not just this subject. There are far too many value and belief differences in the world so trying to reach one is pointless.

Rudeness aside, what's far more concerning is coercion. I hope I'm paraphrasing this fairly: you mentioned earlier in the thread that children at your school "correct" each other on pronoun use without staff needing to be involved. These children are coercing each other. Any staff who stand by and let that happen are complicit in supporting this - to use a phrase that my daughters' school uses, they are part of the problem because they are bystanders. In any other situation involving beliefs that not everyone holds (e.g. if a Christian child was telling other children that they needed to believe in god or they would burn in hell) and a teacher hears it going on, I expect they would step in and explain that people have different beliefs. The same should happen here and this explanation needs to make it clear that the concept of "misgendering" applies only in situations where people believe in gender identity - that means recognising that it's OK for someone who doesn't believe in gender to use sex-based pronouns when describing someone. Not an easy conversation but an important one - which is why it's imperative that this KCSIE guidance recognises that it's dangerous to allow this situation to continue. And yes, as awkward as it might be, that also needs to include situations where teachers use opposite-sex preferred pronouns. My daughters think I'm rude for not actively using the words "she" or "her" to describe Mrs [X] at school. I use Mrs X's name. I wouldn't ever do so in person with Mrs X, should such a situation ever arise (see point 2 above), but I do so because I refer to every teacher at school as Mr X, Ms X, Mrs X or Miss X. I would even say Mx if the situation arose, and would (probably) attempt to keep a smirk off my face when doing so. However, I use no pronouns whatsoever and I think my daughters are rude (to me) for expecting me to do otherwise. One of my daughters recognises that this teacher is male, the other isn't sure... despite how obvious it is (such is the power of coercion and pronouns are rohypnol etc**). I've explained how upsetting I find it to them that they expect me to change my own values but they aren't budging. Interestingly, they support me not using any pronouns for a female child at school who they both know well (my daughters say he/him), because they agree that my concerns about social transition in children are valid, so pronouns never get in the way of conversations about this child.

** I don't tell my daughter she needs to stop using she/her for this teacher but I have told her that I'm worried she's been coerced into not seeing/recognising the teacher's male head shape, shoulder shape and gait. I've explained that it's important to know who the males and females are so that you know when someone is breaking the law re single-sex spaces. I've also explained why we have single-sex spaces. She recognises their importance agrees that males shouldn't be in women's spaces but hasn't joined the dots yet. Obviously I could be wrong about Mrs X's sex but there are plenty of other clues that suggest I'm not.

Apologies for the length of that response but hopefully that all makes sense. As it is currently written, KCSIE is swerving this key point: we need to know who the males and females are (and be able to state this using standard English) so that safeguarding children at school is effective. In some situations, this will require "misgendering" to be accepted as an objective way to do this.

(Edited to amend an amusingly ironic grammar adjustment. Points to anyone who spotted it 😂 And yes, I do make things harder for myself gramatically with my pronoun avoidance approach).

Edited

*make an amusingly ironic grammar adjustment. FFS 😂 Yes, I do make things harder for myself with my pronoun avoidance approach. But equally, I have no doubt that without this approach (IRL) I would not have been able to support my daughter.

BonfireLady · 11/04/2026 10:33

noblegiraffe · 08/04/2026 11:56

I think, now, a case can be made that it is not simply ‘kind’ to use a child’s preferred pronouns but actually something that should be treated with caution.

I don’t think the same case can be made for adults who have expressed a desire to be referred to by wrong sex pronouns?

Convince me that it isn’t the polite thing to do and that misgendering isn’t rude. Talking purely about pronouns here, not access to single sex spaces. Imagine it’s a colleague.

Convince me that it isn’t the polite thing to do and that misgendering isn’t rude.

Realised I had missed this ⬆️

This is a tough one a few reasons:

  1. for anyone who doesn't believe in gender identity, there is no such thing as "misgendering"
  2. it's impossible to know for certain (although there are often several clues) whether someone who has preferred pronouns that differ from their sex gets a sexual thrill from having their gender identity validated e.g. a male being referred to as "she" or "Miss"
  3. notwithstanding point 2, there are people who genuinely feel offended at "misgendering" (both trans-identified people and allies) because they believe it is disrespectful

So no, I can't convince you it isn't rude, because to some people it is - point 3.

But on the flip side, to some people (e.g. me) being coerced and guilt-tripped into using words I don't believe is rude- point 1.

Equally, I find the idea of being expected to participate in someone's sexual fetish rude - point 2. Obviously we never know what people are thinking but if someone is giving away clues (hiding in plain sight) that they are an autogynophile, I find it rude that there would be an expectation from them and others around them I'd join in with it by actively using opposite-sex pronouns. No thank you.

Ultimately, it's rude to expect anyone to use words that don't represent their own values. If trans(-identifying) people (or their allies) can't accept that I am making an effort to avoid causing upset by completely avoiding all pronouns when referring to trans(-identifying) people in the singular, then they are the ones with the problem. I use they/them for sentences involving plurals e.g. when talking about transwomen or transmen.

Equally, I don't expect anyone else to follow my values. If it's important to someone that they use sex-based pronouns to describe people at all times, grea - it's a reflection of their own values, biology and standard grammar. It's also logical e.g. as laid out very well in the "pronouns are rohypnol" essay. My caveat for supporting it as "not rude" (by my own values) would be that it's not being done maliciously e.g. repeatedly and pointedly doing it in a situation where the person's sex is irrelevant. TBH I personally find any form of pronoun policing, telling people what pronouns to use, rude and when I see people doing it online, I do a silent eye-roll and scroll past. Pronoun battles become tedious because no consensus will ever be reached. There is no objective threshold of what's rude and what's not on anything in life, not just this subject. There are far too many value and belief differences in the world so trying to reach one is pointless.

Rudeness aside, what's far more concerning is coercion. I hope I'm paraphrasing this fairly: you mentioned earlier in the thread that children at your school "correct" each other on pronoun use without staff needing to be involved. These children are coercing each other. Any staff who stand by and let that happen are complicit in supporting this - to use a phrase that my daughters' school uses, they are part of the problem because they are bystanders. In any other situation involving beliefs that not everyone holds (e.g. if a Christian child was telling other children that they needed to believe in god or they would burn in hell) and a teacher hears it going on, I expect they would step in and explain that people have different beliefs. The same should happen here and this explanation needs to make it clear that the concept of "misgendering" applies only in situations where people believe in gender identity - that means recognising that it's OK for someone who doesn't believe in gender to use sex-based pronouns when describing someone. Not an easy conversation but an important one - which is why it's imperative that this KCSIE guidance recognises that it's dangerous to allow this situation to continue. And yes, as awkward as it might be, that also needs to include situations where teachers use opposite-sex preferred pronouns. My daughters think I'm rude for not actively using the words "she" or "her" to describe Mrs [X] at school. I use Mrs X's name. I wouldn't ever do so in person with Mrs X, should such a situation ever arise (see point 2 above), but I do so because I refer to every teacher at school as Mr X, Ms X, Mrs X or Miss X. I would even say Mx if the situation arose, and would (probably) attempt to keep a smirk off my face when doing so. However, I use no pronouns whatsoever and I think my daughters are rude (to me) for expecting me to do otherwise. One of my daughters recognises that this teacher is male, the other isn't sure... despite how obvious it is (such is the power of coercion and pronouns are rohypnol etc**). I've explained how upsetting I find it to them that they expect me to change my own values but they aren't budging. Interestingly, they support me not using any pronouns for a female child at school who they both know well (my daughters say he/him), because they agree that my concerns about social transition in children are valid, so pronouns never get in the way of conversations about this child.

** I don't tell my daughter she needs to stop using she/her for this teacher but I have told her that I'm worried she's been coerced into not seeing/recognising the teacher's male head shape, shoulder shape and gait. I've explained that it's important to know who the males and females are so that you know when someone is breaking the law re single-sex spaces. I've also explained why we have single-sex spaces. She recognises their importance agrees that males shouldn't be in women's spaces but hasn't joined the dots yet. Obviously I could be wrong about Mrs X's sex but there are plenty of other clues that suggest I'm not.

Apologies for the length of that response but hopefully that all makes sense. As it is currently written, KCSIE is swerving this key point: we need to know who the males and females are (and be able to state this using standard English) so that safeguarding children at school is effective. In some situations, this will require "misgendering" to be accepted as an objective way to do this.

(Edited to amend an amusingly ironic grammar adjustment. Points to anyone who spotted it 😂 And yes, I do make things harder for myself gramatically with my pronoun avoidance approach).

BonfireLady · 10/04/2026 19:53

I am definitely guilty of a propensity towards long paragraphs!

I will endeavour to do better!!

Edited to add: that was supposed to have quoted @MrsOvertonsWindow 's comment above.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/04/2026 18:25

@Cantunseeit well done.

Cantunseeit · 10/04/2026 17:39

Chat GPT introduced the word “ transgender” so I am going to avoid.

I’ve edited and edited and have something that fits. Not enough words to be polite! These are the points I’ve made (written better I hope):

  • it embeds a contested idea in KCSIE
  • due to inherent safeguarding risks, schools must never support ST without clinical intervention and parental involvement
  • there are loopholes allowing parents to not be informed. There can be no exceptions to safeguarding principles
  • evidence suggests serious risks of ST
  • supporting ST without clinical guidance is not kind for anyone
  • the living in stealth section is particularly egregious and unacceptable- does not safeguard anyone
  • the point about detransition should be more powerfully made. Desistence is the norm
  • need more than 1200 characters to do justice

I’m going to sleep on it and have another go another day!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/04/2026 17:29

BonfireLady · 10/04/2026 17:14

Not yet. Am still going through this thread to make notes, on a different tab.

What a pain!

I should imagine I'll hit the same snag 😬

What are you going to do..?

I use bullet points.
Lengthy answers will get ignored - narrow it down to the key messages.

(Obviously my numerous lengthy posts on here don't do that....😅)

ScrollingLeaves · 10/04/2026 17:22

BonfireLady · 10/04/2026 17:14

Not yet. Am still going through this thread to make notes, on a different tab.

What a pain!

I should imagine I'll hit the same snag 😬

What are you going to do..?

See if AI can do a good précis?