Working Group - KCSIE 2026 changes - improve the guidance via the consultation process, promote more responses & more

But 'internet influencers' aren't paid by the state to safeguard children. They're not with them in the same building 6-7 hours a day.

A teacher at DD1s school had trans flag stickers all over her work laptop. I noticed it in a meeting. She wasn't at the school for long as luckily the SLT are fairly sensible.

I’d be far more worried about internet influencers coaching kids here than trans activist school staff. If anyone has any examples of this, that would be useful to link to.

I haven't RTFT yet and am currently away for half term but count me in.

"Placemarking" in the thread for now to catch up when I can.

Thank you for kicking this off OP.

Yes, 100%. I know of a high school that got a new building and lots of unisex loos (fully contained off corridors) and stuck the trans symbol squiggle on them (the mash up of the male and female sex symbols). IIRC they collected various pride awards too.

If leadership basically encourages gender woo woo what chance do the kids have?

Absolutely. I've been saying this for ages. My observation from local schools is that some have clearly single sex toilets and have large numbers of religious families that would be unlikely to accept gender ideology; others have activist teachers shoving it at children and mixed sex toilets. I think it'd be interesting to look at attendance for girls in the mixed sex toilet schools.

The boundaries the adults in charge set will have a huge impact on the children, including on their mental and physical safety.

No-one wants to look at it though.

There are a number of eminently sensible, excellent headteachers and SLT (and governors) who have been holding the line against an onslaught of gender woo for years and I hope they'll get the credit they deserve for proper safeguarding in due course.

In an ideal world there would be some data collection on numbers of gender questioning children in all schools. As I bet patterns would be identified.

Speilman made an excellent point about “rare exceptions” - how do we ensure that children aren’t being coached in what to say to be allowed to transition?

also, how will we able able to ensure trans activist staff don’t influence matters around compelled pronouns as well as hiding things from parents?

Great idea, I'm in.

I think there's a power in the grassroots nature of MN. A hell of a lot of people on here for whom one of their primary day jobs is keeping their children safe and holding their school to account when they don't safeguard properly. All those other groups are great, and they'll add a lot from their own particular perspective, but as the NHS Audit shows, MN is a powerful force not least because of our numbers and the wide, wide range of people on here and their experience. This width and depth of experience is IMO fairly unique on here.

There are a lot of people on here who have experience in education in different roles and of what it's actually like in school for children these days. In a whole range of different schools.

I also think there's something worth unpicking about how well KCSIE is already implemented (not well IMO) and about letter of the law vs actual reality and what is in children's best interests. Also something about how gender ideology makes existing bits of KCSIE impossible / redundant. E.g. there's a bit IIRC (I'll have to go back and check) about what to do if a boy is accused of sexual harrassment of a girl and how to keep them separate in the classroom / school day but no mention of mixed sex (either honestly or by deception) toilets or changing rooms. There's something in the bit about emotional abuse about how it can include using a child purely for validation (or words to that effect) but no mention of how this is social transition in a nutshell - it's all about using others (without their consent often) for validation of a lie.

The biggest issue is that kcsie is based on evidence- the evidence is Cass. It’s been added to year on year following serious case reviews and other evidence around safeguarding.

we can make points and must make sure our reasoning is sound but unfortunately at the moment Cass is likely to take precedent unless Esses and Bell’s challenge goes through

Good points here https://www.transgendertrend.com/socially-transitioning-child-primary-school/

This comment needs to be in kcsie

Pronouns need tackling.

The single sex spaces stuff will be law but didn’t harm in showing support for that

Excellent plan. I assume the usual groups (Sex Matters, Transgender Trend, etc) will have recommendations that could be collected here too?