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Working Group - KCSIE 2026 changes - improve the guidance via the consultation process, promote more responses & more

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 20/02/2026 12:47

Hello everyone - I was hoping to start a working group of some sort in order to respond to the proposed changes to KCSIE (Keeping Children Safe In Education)

Press release https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-publish-new-gender-guidance-for-schools

Proposed changes and response mechanism https://consult.education.gov.uk/independent-education-and-school-safeguarding-division/keeping-children-safe-in-education-2026-revisions/

I have a large personal interest in this. If you are not aware, I am the father in this article in The Times https://archive.ph/C4eXs

Can we come together to build a strategy of supporting the parts the changes which are great, for example the very clear statements of toilets and changing rooms being single sex?

And think how to propose possible changes to the statements about sport and especially about allowing social transitioning at school?

I'd very much love to hear your ideas and suggestions. I don't want to lead the group especially or tell anyone what to do - I am certain there are people with more knowledge than me, but I thought I could start off the conversation?

Government to publish new gender guidance for schools

Guidance for gender questioning children is clear schools should take a careful approach when a child asks to social transition.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-publish-new-gender-guidance-for-schools

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/02/2026 13:41

WarriorN · 24/02/2026 18:05

It would be worth pointing out that it’s alluded to in the statutory RSE guidelines and the two need to be strengthened to work together across both safeguarding and in RSE.

This is so important.

Also there's still the get out clause for excluding parents and allowing schools to socially transition children in secret. I've not got time to look it up now and I recall they've strengthened it by saying something about it being exceptional to exclude parents if they're a safeguarding risk. BUT - only the courts can remove parental rights and the loose wording of this still allows the committed transactivist adult in a school (or from any of the dodgy organisations) to coerce / groom a child.

If parents pose a risk to their children then that's always a safeguarding issue and must always be referred to the multiagency system. Social services know the law and also know that they cannot make decision without parental involvement (see the legal framework for parental involvement for children in care of the state).

Schools shouldn't in any way be the exception to the legal principles of parental rights / responsibilities for children.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 25/02/2026 13:39

The whole bit on social transition doesn't make sense as is.

Really social transition is 'pretending to be the sex they're not'. That should be clearly stated. If that's not what it is (even though we really know it is what it is), we need a definition including a definition of what 'gender' is. And an explanation about if it's NOT about pretending to be the other sex why pronouns are even mentioned.

Elsewhere it does point out that girls can like trucks and boys can like wearing dresses (or whatever the examples are), so what's the need for 'social transition'?

I think it's partly in there just to appease activists and because of the hopefully quite rare safeguarding disaster where parents have imposed a wrong-sex identity on very small children and lied about it to everyone else. But I don't think the whole of KCSIE needs to have a bit in it to address those children, frankly that should be addressed under the safeguarding and abuse sections that already exist. I suppose there's probably some special accommodation that needs to be made for the fact that institutions lost their collective minds and failed to safeguard over this, perhaps. But puberty's going to happen and the truth will out at that point - keeping the deception going isn't in the best interests of that child.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 25/02/2026 13:22

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 24/02/2026 17:00

The gender identity definition being missing is absolutely key yes very good spot

Should it go back in as is or be improved? As is is probably simpler

What justification would we give?

Really good spot from @BonfireLady !

There's a question I think, given the clarification about single sex spaces, about what social transition is. What are they trying to achieve here? Without a definition of gender as well as of sex it doesn't really make sense.

Are they trying to help confused young children think they can really change sex? That doesn't sound like good safeguarding and they won't be able to use opposite-sex spaces, so why?

Are they trying to enable one very specific subset of children to dictate the language of adults and children? Well, why this one thing and not others, and also that sounds pretty abusive.

What IS 'social transition' and if those children cannot use wrong-sex spaces then why are you doing it?

Lots of children want lots of things, most children want everything to be only about them and all their own way. The adults need to balance what's best for them and what's best for the other children in the school. I don't see how you can do this with 'social transition'. I don't think it's healthy to encourage a child into coercive behaviours or thinking they can somehow just deny the reality of their body. But even if this were fine, I don't think all the other children should have to do what one child tells them even if it's avoiding pronouns altogether.

And we know as in OP's school, there are adults who are pretty firmly attached to the idea that 'girl' and 'boy' can mean whatever they want it to mean. I think KCSIE needs to be VERY clear on definitions. And the draft is not. The social transition bit is full of 'gender' but what does that mean? Does 'girl' refer to a child of the female sex and only that or not? OP's school think it doesn't, that the term 'girl' can include male children, and it refers to 'gender' which again is a totally fuzzy word, and can be whatever they want to further their aims.

Given that the whole ideology is built on abuse of language and coercion, definitions are essential, I think.

WarriorN · 24/02/2026 18:05

It would be worth pointing out that it’s alluded to in the statutory RSE guidelines and the two need to be strengthened to work together across both safeguarding and in RSE.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 24/02/2026 17:00

BonfireLady · 23/02/2026 20:26

Apologies that I've not yet had time to add anything of substance, but I think that a gap analysis of the new proposed guidance and the original draft gender questioning children guidance would be a good thing to do.

One absolutely key missing component that has now been consigned to the bin is the definition of "gender identity". No other government document has ever had this in, and it was useful to have it written down. It was:

Gender identity: is a contested belief. It is a sense a person may have of their own gender, whether male, female or another category such as non-binary. This may or may not be the same as their biological sex. Many people do not consider that they or others have a gender identity at all.

It's so important to recognise that it's a belief that not everyone holds. By coercively pushing it as "kindness" and "respect" to use preferred pronouns, schools are failing to follow the Nolan Principles and also Teaching Standards on promoting their personal beliefs to vulnerable children.

The gender identity definition being missing is absolutely key yes very good spot

Should it go back in as is or be improved? As is is probably simpler

What justification would we give?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 24/02/2026 16:59

Posting this here to show efforts are underway from the TIM side https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rcwt4i/uk_consultation_on_the_proposed_changes_to_the/

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 23/02/2026 20:33

BonfireLady · 23/02/2026 20:26

Apologies that I've not yet had time to add anything of substance, but I think that a gap analysis of the new proposed guidance and the original draft gender questioning children guidance would be a good thing to do.

One absolutely key missing component that has now been consigned to the bin is the definition of "gender identity". No other government document has ever had this in, and it was useful to have it written down. It was:

Gender identity: is a contested belief. It is a sense a person may have of their own gender, whether male, female or another category such as non-binary. This may or may not be the same as their biological sex. Many people do not consider that they or others have a gender identity at all.

It's so important to recognise that it's a belief that not everyone holds. By coercively pushing it as "kindness" and "respect" to use preferred pronouns, schools are failing to follow the Nolan Principles and also Teaching Standards on promoting their personal beliefs to vulnerable children.

This is crucial I think @BonfireLady. Good spot.

Also v good idea to look at the changes from the original draft to this proposed guidance. I’m not a fan of AI (and in this case I would worry that it would hallucinate differences) but I’m sure that could be non-AI automated somehow.

[ETA - no slight to those who find AI useful. I just find it complicates things for me.]

BonfireLady · 23/02/2026 20:26

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 23/02/2026 17:03

Hello everyone - glad this seems like a good idea.

Could we agree a simple goal, maybe:

Produce a focussed set of consultation responses that support the best parts and criticise the worst parts of the proposed guidance, and makes it as easy as possible for lots of people to submit responses.

We can't do everything, so we could start with
• a short list of things we want to strengthen / keep
• a short list of things we want to change / remove / tighten

what's a good number to focus on? Is it, 3-5 good things and 3-5 bad ones?

For each good

  • What the outcome would be
  • how we think that would benefit pupils

For each bad

  • What the outcome would be (unforseen and seen)
  • How we think that would harm pupils, their families, others

And keep us focussed on the end goal, not just discussion, it is to help as many people as possible actually respond to the consultation.

Any suggestions for other ways of doing this? try open to ideas!

Not sure where to keep it? Here? A google document? Something else?

Any risk of entryism, Redditors with beards and dresses coming in to mess it up...

How long do we have and how do we encourage people to put in an actual response?

Apologies that I've not yet had time to add anything of substance, but I think that a gap analysis of the new proposed guidance and the original draft gender questioning children guidance would be a good thing to do.

One absolutely key missing component that has now been consigned to the bin is the definition of "gender identity". No other government document has ever had this in, and it was useful to have it written down. It was:

Gender identity: is a contested belief. It is a sense a person may have of their own gender, whether male, female or another category such as non-binary. This may or may not be the same as their biological sex. Many people do not consider that they or others have a gender identity at all.

It's so important to recognise that it's a belief that not everyone holds. By coercively pushing it as "kindness" and "respect" to use preferred pronouns, schools are failing to follow the Nolan Principles and also Teaching Standards on promoting their personal beliefs to vulnerable children.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 23/02/2026 17:18

Have DM’ed you @SingleSexSpacesInSchools

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 23/02/2026 17:09

Extract from Bayswater email, sent 23rd Feb

KCSIE Update: Gender Questioning Section Out for Consultation

The government has published updated Keeping Children Safe in Education (KCSIE) guidance, currently out for consultation. Provisions on gender questioning children are included within it, and these are our initial thoughts.

The document correctly warns that pretending that a child is the opposite sex is an active intervention with significant effects on a child's psychological functioning and longer-term outcomes, including pursuit of medical interventions. In light of this acknowledgement it is not clear how the guidance concludes that education professionals are qualified to work with parents to determine what is in the best interests of the child on this issue.

Parental approval does not mitigate the safeguarding risks associated with what is a profoundly consequential decision (social transition) with potentially lifelong medical implications. Parents are not always well-informed about the impact social transition could have on their child. But the guidance tells schools they can facilitate this intervention as long as the parents approve.

Although the impact on other children is referenced in the guidance, this is mostly in the form of hints at the need to respect 'religion and belief'. There is no mention of the right of every child to have the world around them described in accurate and objective language. If teachers use cross-sex pronouns for one child, that impacts the understanding of every other child in the class.

The term 'social transition' itself can mean any number of different things and this language is now creating confusion. For example, the guidance stipulates that:

a. Social (sex role) transition is NOT permitted for toilets, changing rooms, sport, recorded student information.

But:

b. Social (sex role) transition IS permitted (albeit with parental consent, and with some caution) by allowing schools to decide to refer to a child by pronouns that do not match their sex.

The guidance omits mention of the safeguarding risks associated with a cross-sex identity: breast binding, tucking, DIY hormones, exposure to misinformation about suicide, online exploitation. This omission undermines the ability of schools to protect their students

Warnings in the guidance about the harms of 'living in stealth' are undermined by suggesting that some children may nonetheless be living as the opposite sex unbeknownst to their teachers or friends. This is a safeguarding failure that requires action. Quite apart from the profound risks for the child themselves, it is not possible to accommodate 'living in stealth' with accurate sex records, single-sex spaces, and safeguarding other children at the school.

The guidance opens up the possibility of schools drafting their own policies on 'social transition'. This creates a loophole for unevidenced and unsafe policymaking by education professionals, who are not qualified to make decisions relating to mental health, especially where there are clear medical consequences.

Greater clarity is required when it states that if a school considers a parent to be such a risk that their child's cross-sex identity should not be mentioned to them. If this were the case it would warrant an immediate referral to social services (not merely a consultation with the DSL).

We will continue to review the proposals to put together a response to the government consultation, and we urge parents to do likewise. We will issue guidance on responding to the government consultation shortly.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 23/02/2026 17:03

Hello everyone - glad this seems like a good idea.

Could we agree a simple goal, maybe:

Produce a focussed set of consultation responses that support the best parts and criticise the worst parts of the proposed guidance, and makes it as easy as possible for lots of people to submit responses.

We can't do everything, so we could start with
• a short list of things we want to strengthen / keep
• a short list of things we want to change / remove / tighten

what's a good number to focus on? Is it, 3-5 good things and 3-5 bad ones?

For each good

  • What the outcome would be
  • how we think that would benefit pupils

For each bad

  • What the outcome would be (unforseen and seen)
  • How we think that would harm pupils, their families, others

And keep us focussed on the end goal, not just discussion, it is to help as many people as possible actually respond to the consultation.

Any suggestions for other ways of doing this? try open to ideas!

Not sure where to keep it? Here? A google document? Something else?

Any risk of entryism, Redditors with beards and dresses coming in to mess it up...

How long do we have and how do we encourage people to put in an actual response?

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noblegiraffe · 21/02/2026 18:16

ScrollingLeaves · 21/02/2026 13:38

The guidance can’t stop sympathy, smiles, a new attention, a solicitous tone of voice with a tilted head etc

Thinking about it, there has been discussion about 'compelled speech' where teachers may be forced to use preferred pronouns when they don't want to, however it may actually be more uncomfortable for the sympathetic teachers to not immediately pivot to new names and pronouns as soon as someone announces them.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 21/02/2026 16:02

noblegiraffe · 21/02/2026 13:35

Not under the new guidance they couldn’t. Which is good.

However the new guidance says nothing needs to be done if all the kids are affirming the child, which is probably more of an impactful social transition than teachers doing it - as I said upthread teachers generally only rarely use pronouns - we talk to kids not about them.

I think it's fallen out of fashion, at least around here with teenagers now. I think the adults coming back into the room and being willing to tell the truth has probably helped them to not feel they have to pander or suffer consequences. Obviously - and unfortunately - not in Brighton where the activist adults are still forcing it on OP's daughter and all the other children in the school.

The power differential between adults and children in schools is very important here I think and probably important to reflect that in KCSIE.

In places where the sensible adults have returned I think you'll find fewer and fewer kids go along with it. Surprisingly most teens don't want to spend loads of time being purely a validation tool for others in a relationship that is only one way to their detriment! What a shock!

ScrollingLeaves · 21/02/2026 13:38

The guidance can’t stop sympathy, smiles, a new attention, a solicitous tone of voice with a tilted head etc

noblegiraffe · 21/02/2026 13:35

ScrollingLeaves · 21/02/2026 13:21

Teachers may not coach but they can instantly ‘affirm’ at a personal level.

Not under the new guidance they couldn’t. Which is good.

However the new guidance says nothing needs to be done if all the kids are affirming the child, which is probably more of an impactful social transition than teachers doing it - as I said upthread teachers generally only rarely use pronouns - we talk to kids not about them.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 21/02/2026 13:30

ScrollingLeaves · 21/02/2026 13:21

Teachers may not coach but they can instantly ‘affirm’ at a personal level.

I find it utterly bizarre that teachers, especially at secondary level, would just 'affirm'. They have to deal with cheeky fuckery on a daily basis 'Miss, I'd like to be called 'your Highness' from now on, ok?'. 'No, obviously I'm not going to be doing that Tommy'.

Teachers should be preparing children for adult life not reinforcing extremely ridiculous demands that - unless they're the super rich children of famous people - are unlikely to be adhered to by anyone else around them in their adult life. And which are likely to result in people avoiding them too.

ScrollingLeaves · 21/02/2026 13:21

noblegiraffe · 20/02/2026 18:39

There's a big difference between a teacher having trans stickers on their laptop and being an 'ally' and coaching children into saying that they are scared their parents will beat them up if the school outs them to the parents. That would be gross professional misconduct.

I think the internet is far more likely to be a source of that sort of coaching than school teachers.

Teachers may not coach but they can instantly ‘affirm’ at a personal level.

ScrollingLeaves · 21/02/2026 13:13

WarriorN · 20/02/2026 13:05

Speilman made an excellent point about “rare exceptions” - how do we ensure that children aren’t being coached in what to say to be allowed to transition?

also, how will we able able to ensure trans activist staff don’t influence matters around compelled pronouns as well as hiding things from parents?

Quite. There are a large number of fully captured, relatively young staff members, including in private schools.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 21/02/2026 11:31

The only way you can do 'preferred pronouns' for one child is by undermining safeguarding for all the other children. One of the main points of safeguarding is safeguarding ALL children.

And that's before you get to mixed sex (by coercive deception) changing rooms or toilets where it's an obvious safety risk open to abuse.

And I think this applies if it's only the teachers using wrong-sex pronouns - as children take their lead from teachers and will feel pressure to follow that lead even if not explicitly told to. Far better for teachers to avoid pronouns altogether, though it's difficult to do and adding additional load to already busy teachers so shouldn't be promised, just that they'll try.

I'd personally argue that putting children in a position where the other children are essentially coercively controlled by them (around language) isn't really setting them up for a happy life with lots of friends (friendship needs to be two-way and based on mutual respect), so not safeguarding them either. We don't teach children to lie about other important things.

noblegiraffe · 20/02/2026 22:28

WarriorN · 20/02/2026 20:24

coaching online yes.

There are multiple instances of teachers keeping transition from parents have the guidance change

This is where the guidance is clear: Parents only need to be told where a child has made a request to the school for support with transition - e.g. can teachers change my name and pronouns.

Which means teachers do NOT need to tell parents if a male child is being called she and Susan by all of his friends. Teachers do NOT need to tell parents if a male child has told their form tutor that they feel like they need to become a girl and that's why all their friends are calling them Susan.

It only says that teachers should not start calling that child Susan. That's all.

It says that schools "should be aware of the potential vulnerabilities of a child questioning their gender including the possibility of complex mental health and psychosocial needs" but it also says that if a child confides in a member of staff about their feelings about their gender there is no reason to break any confidence unless there is a related safeguarding risk.

So a child questioning their gender includes the possibility of complex mental health needs but isn't a safeguarding concern in and of itself.

In my extremely limited experience, a child questioning their gender is a red flag that should certainly be reported on school safeguarding software and followed-up. I think, if a child is being called Susan by all his friends at school, that is also something that parents should be informed about rather than kept confidential due to the red flags it raises around mental health.

noblegiraffe · 20/02/2026 22:10

Myalternate · 20/02/2026 19:37

noblegiraffe

May I ask a question as I believe you’re a teacher?

Within your own school, have you ever heard of or know about any child that believes they have a gender identity that doesn’t match their birth sex?
What would you do or suggest in those circumstances?

I don't think there's a secondary school in the country where this hasn't come up. It hasn't come up at my school very often compared to others, and definitely less now than previously. We've had children change names on the register, so I have used their new name as I would for any other child with a name change. There have been some changes to pronouns but it is generally easy to avoid pronouns in the classroom as you talk to pupils rather than about them. The most difficult time for pronouns is parents evening where I would use names first then follow the parents' lead if the child isn't there.

WarriorN · 20/02/2026 20:24

noblegiraffe · 20/02/2026 17:22

I’d be far more worried about internet influencers coaching kids here than trans activist school staff. If anyone has any examples of this, that would be useful to link to.

coaching online yes.

There are multiple instances of teachers keeping transition from parents have the guidance change

Myalternate · 20/02/2026 19:37

noblegiraffe

May I ask a question as I believe you’re a teacher?

Within your own school, have you ever heard of or know about any child that believes they have a gender identity that doesn’t match their birth sex?
What would you do or suggest in those circumstances?

noblegiraffe · 20/02/2026 18:39

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 20/02/2026 18:03

But 'internet influencers' aren't paid by the state to safeguard children. They're not with them in the same building 6-7 hours a day.

A teacher at DD1s school had trans flag stickers all over her work laptop. I noticed it in a meeting. She wasn't at the school for long as luckily the SLT are fairly sensible.

There's a big difference between a teacher having trans stickers on their laptop and being an 'ally' and coaching children into saying that they are scared their parents will beat them up if the school outs them to the parents. That would be gross professional misconduct.

I think the internet is far more likely to be a source of that sort of coaching than school teachers.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 20/02/2026 18:09

I honestly really dislike the coercive control element of 'social transitioning'. It's abusive at its very core. We don't tell kids of a particular religion they should expect the other kids to follow their religion on their say so.

'Preferred pronouns' are absolutely coercively controlling bullshit. It's legitimising abuse, narcissism (one child is placed above the others as having a valid identity, the others aren't allowed to identify as wanting to say what they see, they become NPCs in the other child's life). It's emotional abuse. The definition is already in KCSIE, and it's very clearly a breach of that to compel language in the service of one or a few exalted individuals.

Encouraging children to adopt behaviours that are abusive isn't kind even to the child who ends up on top.