GLP v EHRC judgement - Thread 2

It is probably better described as ‘supplementing’ exogenous hormones because there is no way that the doses of estrogen is ‘replacing’ male levels of estrogen. It is artificially raising estrogen levels to exceed the naturally produced range healthy male people produce.

The labelling of these supplements as ‘replacement’ is very misleading and seems to only be so to copy the HRT terminology used for female people when needed, particularly in menopause. Which by the way, you have in the past used for your reduction of artificially high exogenous estrogen supplements which has in turn been pointed out as not being anything like menopause.

Just like your puberty, with both testosterone (unsurpressed) and artificially raised estrogen together, that confidently informed us was a ‘female puberty’ when this is impossible

14 year olds can be prescribed HRT in many countries.

I disagree. Exogenous hormone use is common and well supported in medical literature. Perhaps the NHS should shift their trial to adolescent HRT rather than peri-adolescent blockers.

We still use androgen blockers; just not oestrogens. Men don't like dying, either.

and also the non life-threatening side effects. Men just don't like being feminised.

Maugham is ranting and raving about suicide, abortifacients, condoms (??!), Streeting, Labour in general and "who signed the letter from the MHRA" today. He also seems to be trying to shame Guiding & the WI into working with the GLP, last night he recommended that parents buy their kid's drugs from Susie Green and flee the country if possible. He will never admit that he was wrong about PBs

Is it valid, or is it bigoted and hateful, to think that being a man or woman is about what body you have?

We stopped using oestrogens to treat prostate cancer decades ago because of the extensive and life-threatening side effects.

When you say exogenous hormone use is well supported in literature, are you referring to diseases such as prostate cancer whereby the negative side effects such as bone thinning, high blood pressure and heart problems are considered worth the risk within context of the cancer?

"Typically" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Children can't get cross-sex hormones at all.

Using my own experience of knowing I would transition as a young child, starting HRT at 15

Yeah, right. Your GP prescribed you opposite sex hormones when you were 15? That never happened.

Where were you getting puberty blockers to prevent your male puberty in the 70s? My understanding was that these drugs were only at the lab trial stage then, then used to treat precocious puberty, and weren't used to stop puberty until much later. I could be wrong though.

Out of interest, your post suggests that you are now approximately aged 55? Did you receive those hormones from a registered clinic? And are you male or female? I'm imagining male, because there must have been vanishingly few young women or girls seeking to 'transition' in the 1970s?

I don’t understand why KCs and MPs are allowed to misrepresent legal finding and not be run out of town? Why are they allowed to ignore the law? See also FWS and Supreme Court, why is the given by allowed to ignore it and when is the EHRC guidance going to come out, not that it will trump the SC anyway. I’m fed up of this crap

Your continued use of the term "hormone replacement therapy" to describe cross-sex hormones shows you to be posting in bad faith.

Why should anyone believe anything you say when you repeatedly and blatantly lie?

When you say exogenous hormone use is well supported in literature, are you referring to diseases such as prostate cancer whereby the negative side effects such as bone thinning, high blood pressure and heart problems are considered worth the risk within context of the cancer?

He had exogenous hormones instead so he claims.

i am sticking to the subject of JM.

@TwoLoonsAndASprout A whole thread was dedicated to a person who only ever posts once so we have heard it all before.

At 14, there is no reason to block puberty. At that age, HRT is typically started with a full understanding of one's options. The purpose of blockers is/was to allow for exploration in younger trans children until they are of an age to better understand everything. Also, it's not a medically solid idea to have one's puberty blocked from age 8 or 9 until 14.

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