So Doctor “ Beth “ Upton is off to pastures new , leaving a large ongoing bill for NHS Fife

1st rule of misogyny: women are responsible for what men do.

Read the trans widows threads then have a think about how much agency women in this situation actually have.

She may not be the story, but she’s not the bloody victim either.

I agree, the level of English required of overseas doctors should be much higher.

For returning British medics trained abroad, their English should be fine but they will not have been taught to listen to patients if they were taught a course in English with Romanian-speaking population.

It makes no sense to send expensively trained doctors overseas to replace them with those with only slightly better experience on paper. Students who cant get into uk medical schools may go to Malta, where they teach in English, but would not be "overseas doctors" if you gave priority to British nationals. My experience is that PLAB does not restrict doctors who are hard to understand. The standards required should be higher.

Most who go abroad do so because they can’t get places here. They do count as international medical graduates and I am sceptical about courses where people can pass their medical degree without having sufficient local language to engage properly with patients. How can that be patient centred care? However, if they are British citizens they have a right to work here as long as they can pass PLAB.

Or perhaps she's a victim in all of this and finding it hard to make that first move out the door and to safety.

The reality is we don't know and she isn't the story.

She only need be aware that she is not alone, many wives have had to suffer the loss of their husband to the trans community and she can seek support and help whenever she's ready. And when that time comes, she'll be given that support and help without judgement.

That “poor wife” has agency, knows exactly what he is and has stood by and supported him throughout this shit show. She’s no better than he is.

Re Dr's from abroad - we also have to note the amount of students who can't afford to do 5 years of study in UK who now get degrees in medicine from EU (Romania and Poland I think are popular) because they don't come from wealthy families. Although I suspect they aren't the ones being given jobs with experience they would presumably also be classed as overseas Dr's?

I had made this point. Though Streeting has only just proposed ensuring UK doctors have priority again and even there I think it was only for 80% of jobs. He could have made the change immediately after the election. The BMA doesn’t see this as an issue - they think the problem is that the NHS don’t offer unlimited well paid training places to however many overseas doctors who want to come here.

Not read the whole thread but the case and him going to Australia may not be linked.

There are very few jobs for UK trained doctors at his level. At the time of the case he was an F3. A year long contract for those who have finished their 2 foundation years. (He was on a Foundation rotation in A&E when it all happened.)

Boris, perhaps motivated by Covid, designated all doctor jobs as shortage jobs, which means that they open to worldwide applications with no priority given to those already resident in the UK. Wes Streeting has tightened up rules around speciality training positions as application numbers had gone through the roof, but has otherwise ignored the issue. It means that doctors like 'Beth' at the start of their careers are competing for entry level jobs with doctors from overseas with bags of experience. The choice, for DD is insecure and poorly paid zero hours locum work or emigrating.

DD is also about to leave. About 25% of those who completed F2 in her deanery last August are in or en route to Australia. She already knows that 7 from her Deanery and six from her medical school will be working in the same hospital. Perhaps Beth as well.

In short this decision will not be about 'trans', but simply that Beth's special status was not enough to protect her from the realities of trying to build a career within the NHS.

He would consider it beneath him. Iirc in one of those cases where he accused Peggie of neglecting a patient he was left with the patient to carry out the observations. The patient had someone to care for them but the task was a ‘nurses job’

There was one good outcome from the case is that it forced the GMC to change its listings policy on problem doctors.

Prior to this case the GMC issued a new name and ID number "sealing" the old history. (As some genius had decided that prior regulation issues would be left on the old name as they would be outing.)

When people (the press) started to ask questions they had to quickly amemd the process to carry any history over as it was an obvious loophole.

I doubt the good doctor would offer to help anyway if he's not getting paid to do so. He seems entirely selfish.

He said that he'd treat a woman who had requested female only care, which is a sexual offence. If I was in a serious condition then of course I'd accept him treating me. Don't forget he put in a complaint about an Alzheimer patient calling him the very friendly, caring, term, 'son'. He's a narcissist and beyond the pale.

I complained about him - did other people? It certainly doesn't show up on his BMA registration.

I think that's the least of her problems! She's now apparently a lesbian.

As of today he's still registered with the BMA as a 'female' doctor.

A male doctor who claims to be biologically female, said he would ignore the wishes of female patients and treat patients according to their “gender” rather than sex is no loss. He’s a loon. Oh and he tried to drive a hard working nurse out of a job by fabricating evidence. He’s a nasty piece of work. No great loss.

Wasn’t that what caused Nicola Sturgeon to film herself crying in a cupboard over how terribly sorry she was to trans people to have allowed the SNP MSPs to vote against requiring women who have just been gang raped to be examined by a trans identified male doctor?

Yes in Scotland “gender” was replaced “sex” for forensic medical services for sex offences. Victims can self-refer without police involvement.

I hate seeing our best-educated and most hard-working young people being more or less forced to leave the country. It makes no sense.

Why are we taking doctors from around the world instead of our own doctors, trained at huge expense? Every other country prioritises employment of their own over people from outside the country. We must do the same.

Because so very many of the medical staff in this country come from all over the world? So long as they speak English, which is what really matters if you are an English speaker and want to tell a doctor what the problem is, I can't see that it matters. If you aren't, you may need a translator no matter which country the doctor happens to come from. The last one who treated me was a Finn, who naturally spoke better English than I do. The one before that was a Bulgarian.

I'm glad to hear that they'll be prioritising British doctors. As the EU prioritises doctors from the EU. I don't understand why they aren't already doing so.

No, but it was specifically about post-rape examinations. https://forwomen.scot/07/12/2020/sixwords/