So Doctor “ Beth “ Upton is off to pastures new , leaving a large ongoing bill for NHS Fife

Apart from any language barrier, it would be nice to know that doctors from abroad have been trained to equivalent or better standards than UK doctors. I'm currently listening to a podcast about foreign doctors in Oz and the health board didn't check their training, or registrations or complaints, such that they had doctors who had been restricted in their practice doing the very same operations that they were incompetent to carry out, with devastating complications. There have certainly been cases here of foreign doctors with fake qualifications because no one bothered checking the spelling mistakes and the fuzzy photocopies.

If Australia favour who can manage on a busy ward then it's perhaps still Upton "may" go to Australia. He dissolved into tears (he claimed) over a nurse saying he shouldnt be in a female toilet. Still wondering why no-one reported to senior nursing staff someone in great distress running around the department looking for a senior doctor. Only the doctor noticed this great distress.

Beth is a male, so a him. No one can change sex, despite what he says. Only handmaidens think he's a woman!

And by the way Dr Upton isn't the first man to argue he's "biologically" female - cyclist Rachel (not his birth name) McKinnon / Veronica Ivy and India Willoughby both used the same (non) argument. I couldn't find sources earlier today but they are in Mr Menno's Somatically Female mashup:

Any excuse to enjoy a bit of Mr Menno!

Exactly. This man may have passed his medical exams - but it requires far more than that to be a good doctor. He has displayed nothing but contempt for colleagues and patients who don't play along with his delusions and he'll stop at nothing, it seems.

To be fair, I have no idea whether his medical skills are up to scratch or not. What I find dubious are his ethical standards.

He complained that an elderly patient with dementia misgendered him. He kept notes on at least one of his colleagues. He invented complaints other staff members said were false. He created fake screenshots to try to evidence his imaginary complaints. He said he would treat a patient who hadn’t given consent.

it would take a lot to make me grateful for this man who frankly should be struck off.

We don’t know if Upton’s wife is an abuse victim or an enthusiastic and willing cheer leader. I am not sure it is helpful to speculate which it is.

Ok.

Glad to hear it. But I think you are woefully underestimating the effect of abuse and gaslighting, which comes rather too close to saying of any abuse victim “But why didn’t she just leave?”

Ok 🤷🏻‍♀️
I wouldn’t stay, and wouldn’t be swayed by anyone interested in vilifying me, whoever they may be.

He would need to go where there is work. There are a lot of jobs in Australia but Australian doctors get prioritised over overseas doctors.

But he'll likely go to Victoria? Very much TWAW.

I miss the laugh emoji looking at some of the recent posts!

I don't care why he's gone, he's an activist doctor with an agenda, good riddance.

i hope for the sake of Australian women that Australia sees sense soon, but I can't see that happening.

The issue is not whether overseas medical school training is better or not. Some is, some isn't, and with the recent expansion of medical education there are question marks about the quality of some of the medical graduates that the UK produces. (One recent change is that merit has been taken out of the process of allocating Foundation places, whilst Foundation performance and references do not contribute to achieving a training place or a local hire job.)

Even still the quality of overseas grads, whether British citizens or not, can be worrying. Dd certainly came across one who appeared to have no medical education at all, whist others have had very little patient contact because they studied in a country without English speaking patients.

The NHS issue is that all applicants have to be treated equally. Both DD and Beth cannot compete with doctors offering 10 years or more of experience. The concessions on expedited family settlement means that entry level locally employed jobs will often attract several hundred applicants, some of whom will be seriously overqualified. The NHS also prioritises those with significant research and academic qualifications for specialist training places. (And would only have enough training places for about 10% of the cohort even if half of those places were not going to medics from overseas.) It is much easier for those who are able to take a couple of years off to prepare at a specialist college oversees or for those working in a London teaching hospital with a lot of research going on, than those working night shifts in Fife's A&E.

Australia in contrast puts a lot of emphasis on references and experience. They seem more interested in those who can cope with a busy ward, than how many times you have your name on a research paper. Both DD and Beth have done well to be accepted there. Weirdly the ultimately aim of many of the overseas doctors DD currently works with (and all the SHOs in the department where she is locuming are from overseas) is to get to Australia. She in contrast would like to stay in the UK. But because of the different recruitment criteria she has to leave and they have to stay.

The same may well apply to Beth.

How often would there be widespread condemnation of a woman leaving her abusive male partner? Sure you might get some complaints from his family who won't hear a word said against their darling, or from those who thought they knew him ("But he's always so nice!") but generally people would at least shrug and say to themselves that it's fair enough if she wants to leave: there must be more to it.

But with a transwoman partner I've seen the stories of women who've found themselves vilified for leaving their vulnerable/brave/oppressed partner who has finally been able to be their "authentic true self" only for his wife to leave. Never mind that she didn't sign up for being married to a trans woman, or a woman of any description/identity. Never mind that his 'coming out' will probably be the culmination of years of excusing and gaslighting: only a pair of women's knickers, only wearing a dress behind closed doors, only suggesting that they have sex with him dressed up, it not being a big deal, it not being fair on him when she won't accept his trans identity or this being her life now whether she likes it or not.

Only with transwidows do you get others polishing their right-on credentials by condemning the wife who dares leave, which absolutely does affect her agency.

Read the trans widows threads and see if you can work it out.

HIS honesty IS in question as he undoubtedly fabricated claims that Sandie Peggie endangered patients. That it was a flat lie was confirmed as soon as the BHS Trust investigated, and could have been confirmed by witnesses at any time.

Had Upton really witnessed patient endangerment he should have reported it at once: not concealed it for over a year. The man is a liar, or one who does not prioritise patient safety (these are of course not necessarily alternatives that exclude).

As for YOUR honesty: calling a man who we know is a man “she” & “her” speaks volumes.

You said it yourself. It's abuse. She's in an abusive marriage.

It's very very difficult for victims to extricate themselves from a relationship the moment the first red flag appears, and before they know it years have passed and this is their life now.

You said it yourself. It's abuse. She's in an abusive marriage.

It's very very difficult for victims to extricate themselves from a relationship the moment the first red flag appears, and before they know it years have passed and this is their life now.

What in particular about being married to a trans person removes the spouse’s agency, more than finding herself married to any other sort of abusive prick?

I wonder if he’s flying EasyJet?

Irrespective of the employment prospects of junior doctors in the UK, I'm delighted that he's fucked off - it means that the chances of bumping into him up here in NHSS while ill and vulnerable is zero. I have much sympathy for the patients of whichever country has employed this sanctimonious prick whose fledgling career has been built on lies and utter contempt for women.

They refused the complaints due to the ongoing case i resubmitted mine after the case results and was told that it was on hold until a decision on whether an appeal would go ahead or not I've still not heard anything else from the GMC