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Rod Liddle in the Times

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PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 10:30

I know as an ex leftie I'm not supposed to approve of Rod Liddle but I do like his turn of phrase (hope share token works as usually they don't for me).

www.thetimes.com/article/f0a7fba7-cfb0-452c-b46f-46b80a413f30?shareToken

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HildegardP · 20/02/2026 02:15

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 15:37

Come to think of it I'm not actually sure why I'm not supposed to approve of Rod Liddle, it's just a kind of folk memory, I'll have to research his misdeeds.

Probably at least partly that time in 2005 when he was arrested & cautioned after physically assaulting his pregnant (now ex-) girlfriend. Or his 2006 Spectator article with the charming gems below, or quite a number of other times when a tart turn of phrase & an ability to meet a deadline seemed the only possible excuses to publish him.

Rod Liddle in the Times
POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 20/02/2026 01:19

Lovelyview · 15/02/2026 19:09

Maybe it was this. I agree with you that previous 'right wing loons' like Liddle and Toby Young now appear to be the voice of sanity.

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/rod-liddle-maybe-i-was-wrong-to-say-i-wouldn-t-sleep-with-harriet-harman-6725173.html

There are some real laugh out loud moments in that article! Both the author and Liddle are very funny but, annoyingly, it doesn't say who the author is. Do you know who she is?

Replying to earlier posts - "Screaming Mimis" is WW2 slang.

These are the original screaming mimis.

german screaming mimis firing

If you heard the screaming mimis they might give you the screaming mimis - or even the screaming habdabs

😱😂

ThePoshUns · 15/02/2026 22:46

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 21:25

Having reflected on the Standard article, I've realised that he reminds me of Kingsley Amis - and now I am similarly conflicted about the funniness of the writing, and the awfulness of the man.

I know. It’s a horrible position to be in

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2026 22:03

Shedmistress · 15/02/2026 10:53

What i detest most about the whole gender ideology shitshow is that it turned all the people i previously liked into morons amd all the people I previously hated into voices of reason.

Well, that and the whole sterilising and mutilation of kids, the men in female spaces especially prisons and refuges and rape crisis centres and toilets and sports and gyms and races and the wearing of fetish gear to work. All that too.

Yep.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 21:25

Having reflected on the Standard article, I've realised that he reminds me of Kingsley Amis - and now I am similarly conflicted about the funniness of the writing, and the awfulness of the man.

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Lovelyview · 15/02/2026 20:00

deadpan · 15/02/2026 19:34

Each to their own, but I can't support someone who was cautioned for assault against his partner who was pregnant at the time, or his lenient attitude towards a teacher who groomed a pupil. However much I might agree with some of what he says about the trans "debate", I suspect we come at it from very different angles.

That'll be it.

TonTonMacoute · 15/02/2026 19:48

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 11:15

To be honest I think the struggle is over and I just have to accept I'm a (small 'c') conservative now 😁

In many areas these days small c conservative knocks progessive outta the park, but certainly where women's rights are concerned

deadpan · 15/02/2026 19:34

Each to their own, but I can't support someone who was cautioned for assault against his partner who was pregnant at the time, or his lenient attitude towards a teacher who groomed a pupil. However much I might agree with some of what he says about the trans "debate", I suspect we come at it from very different angles.

Lovelyview · 15/02/2026 19:19

Lovelyview · 15/02/2026 19:09

Maybe it was this. I agree with you that previous 'right wing loons' like Liddle and Toby Young now appear to be the voice of sanity.

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/rod-liddle-maybe-i-was-wrong-to-say-i-wouldn-t-sleep-with-harriet-harman-6725173.html

Having read the whole article I've realised Liddle was originally a Labour supporter with 'interesting' views on feminism.

Lovelyview · 15/02/2026 19:09

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 17:33

I know a couple of teachers and it's a job I simply could not do, you have my respect and my sympathy!

I googled 'why is Rod Liddle bad' and got a lot of Guardian articles back, and I used to read the Guardian, so that explains that I think...

Maybe it was this. I agree with you that previous 'right wing loons' like Liddle and Toby Young now appear to be the voice of sanity.

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/rod-liddle-maybe-i-was-wrong-to-say-i-wouldn-t-sleep-with-harriet-harman-6725173.html

Rod Liddle: Maybe I was wrong to say I wouldn't sleep with Harriet

The former Today editor turned Sunday Times columnist Rod Liddle greets me with the words: "I have headlice. You know - nits." So, I smile to myself, there is a God. And He is a feminist.

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/rod-liddle-maybe-i-was-wrong-to-say-i-wouldn-t-sleep-with-harriet-harman-6725173.html

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 17:33

napody · 15/02/2026 17:15

Lots of good stuff but pissed off with the punching down on teachers. And yes, it's punching down. We're not a 'gullible lot', we're mostly women often raising society's children and getting the boot put in from all angles. Having to listen to complaints that there aren't enough men in schools, and when there is one they're treated like gods and promoted to senior leadership within a couple of years. Every day thousands of teachers quietly explain to children (most of whom enter school full of 'boys do this and that's for girls'), that boys and girls can like whatever they want. It just doesn't make headlines and they have to do it quietly, as everything they do is judged by fucking everyone.

God, that felt good.

I know a couple of teachers and it's a job I simply could not do, you have my respect and my sympathy!

I googled 'why is Rod Liddle bad' and got a lot of Guardian articles back, and I used to read the Guardian, so that explains that I think...

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napody · 15/02/2026 17:15

Lots of good stuff but pissed off with the punching down on teachers. And yes, it's punching down. We're not a 'gullible lot', we're mostly women often raising society's children and getting the boot put in from all angles. Having to listen to complaints that there aren't enough men in schools, and when there is one they're treated like gods and promoted to senior leadership within a couple of years. Every day thousands of teachers quietly explain to children (most of whom enter school full of 'boys do this and that's for girls'), that boys and girls can like whatever they want. It just doesn't make headlines and they have to do it quietly, as everything they do is judged by fucking everyone.

God, that felt good.

SisterTeatime · 15/02/2026 17:06

He talks sense on this issue. I don’t have to agree with him about everything, or indeed anything, else to agree with him on this.

MelOfTheRoses · 15/02/2026 16:52

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 15:37

Come to think of it I'm not actually sure why I'm not supposed to approve of Rod Liddle, it's just a kind of folk memory, I'll have to research his misdeeds.

I had a quick look. He is certainly not very 'pure'.

He had a run in with Trans Media Watch in 2015 who had their complaint held up by the PCC.

He really doesn't like Jolyon. 🤣

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 15:37

Come to think of it I'm not actually sure why I'm not supposed to approve of Rod Liddle, it's just a kind of folk memory, I'll have to research his misdeeds.

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Igneococcus · 15/02/2026 15:12

Screamingabdabz · 15/02/2026 14:58

You know that Rod Liddle is a member of the Labour Party?

I think he speaks utter sense every week.

He's a member of the SDP.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/02/2026 15:06

I'm open to changing my mind on mimis, screaming drama lama's, me me type's, Zombie Apocalypse, they all fit. 😂

Oh is RL not an 'approved source', we can't listen to someone who doesn't past the purity test, oh deary no. 🙄

Screamingabdabz · 15/02/2026 14:58

You know that Rod Liddle is a member of the Labour Party?

I think he speaks utter sense every week.

dreichluver · 15/02/2026 14:54

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 10:30

I know as an ex leftie I'm not supposed to approve of Rod Liddle but I do like his turn of phrase (hope share token works as usually they don't for me).

www.thetimes.com/article/f0a7fba7-cfb0-452c-b46f-46b80a413f30?shareToken

Just because he's GC doesn't detract from the fact that he's human garbage.

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 13:29

booksnbaking · 15/02/2026 13:26

My reply, “hidden until MN can take a look at it”, contained a link to an Urban Dictionary definition of “MiMi” as someone that makes every conversation all about them, talks over other people incessantly, etc. Your definition makes much more sense given the context, though!

The Urban Dictionary definition sounds very likely to me 😂

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booksnbaking · 15/02/2026 13:26

HeadyLamarr · 15/02/2026 13:11

I couldn't find out what mimis means but I took it to mean Zombies or something. 😂

I took it to be the same as a "screaming queen" - overly camp, attention seeking men cosplaying as a caricature of women.

My reply, “hidden until MN can take a look at it”, contained a link to an Urban Dictionary definition of “MiMi” as someone that makes every conversation all about them, talks over other people incessantly, etc. Your definition makes much more sense given the context, though!

ThePoshUns · 15/02/2026 13:17

Shedmistress · 15/02/2026 10:53

What i detest most about the whole gender ideology shitshow is that it turned all the people i previously liked into morons amd all the people I previously hated into voices of reason.

Well, that and the whole sterilising and mutilation of kids, the men in female spaces especially prisons and refuges and rape crisis centres and toilets and sports and gyms and races and the wearing of fetish gear to work. All that too.

This is so true! I really enjoy listening to Rod Liddell on times radio. I do t always agree with him.

HeadyLamarr · 15/02/2026 13:11

I couldn't find out what mimis means but I took it to mean Zombies or something. 😂

I took it to be the same as a "screaming queen" - overly camp, attention seeking men cosplaying as a caricature of women.

booksnbaking · 15/02/2026 12:54

PachacutisBadAuntie · 15/02/2026 11:07

I don't usually like AI answers but it brought me to this

https://games.abc.net.au/res/pdf/DustEchoes-TheMimis-StudyGuide.pdf

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After a bit of trawling through Urban Dictionary (that ahem well-known scientifically founded and reliable source) I found this:

”a person who is very self-involved and constantly talks about themselves, their likes, their hobbies etc. while never really listening or caring about anything the person they are talking to has to say unless it related to them (the mimi). This person absolutely despises talkative persons because she hates having to listen to other people and it takes up time that they (the mimi) could be using to talk about themselves.

Classic signs of the mimi are:

  1. no eye contact while listening
  2. someone who talks over you when they realize you're about to talk so that you shut up
  3. someone who rambles on and on even though the person they are talking to is clearly not listening.”

Sounds more like it than ethereal Australian spirits.

Interesting choices of pronoun in that main paragraph, though. They - they - they - they - they - she - they - they …

Urban Dictionary: talking to

talking to: flirting with, probibly through texting or in real life at school. most likely resulting in a relationship

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=talking%20to

Keeptoiletssafe · 15/02/2026 12:30

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 15/02/2026 11:10

“When theory becomes an impediment to action, it is time to discard the theory and return naked, that is, without theory, to the world of reality. People become slaves to theory because people are used to meeting expectations they have not originated—to doing what they are told, to having everything mapped out, to having reality prepackaged. People can have antiauthoritarian intention and yet function in a way totally consonant with the demands of authority. The deepest struggle is to root out of us and the institutions in which we participate the requirement that we slavishly conform. But an adherence to ideology, any ideology, can give us the grand illusion of freedom when in fact we are being manipulated and used by those whom the theory serves.”
― Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone

I found this quote a few years ago and it applied to other things I have observed and been part of and was thinking about. It's not quite a perfect fit here but I often think about how it applies to your first paragraph, and the internal struggle it generates.

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Oo that’s like me with toilets! I looked at what actually went on in them. Being safe is not conducive to inclusive design which is based on theory.

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