BBC interview with Cass. 'Both sides weaponised'

I seem to have read a different article to many of you. I saw her comment about “both sides” as being about the people who want to see all transition banned completely, even for adults for whom all other options to alleviate their distress have been exhausted. We all know there are people out there who think gender non-conformity of any type is “unnatural,” and they have jumped on this cause to push their views, too.

The idea that Cass was blaming feminists for being too concerned about safeguarding is pretty fanciful. We are not the extremists, we’re just loud!

Most of the thread is an attack on Cass for recognising that:

A. Trans children/people exist sans delusions or perversions
B. Children are being exploited to resist this finding.

But yeah, keep up the pretence of understanding something other people don't.

We don't discuss everything on every thread. That would be ridiculous.

If you have something relevant to say about the subject of this thread, go ahead. If you want to discuss something else, find an appropriate thread for your comments, or start your own thread.

Plz point to all the gender criticals critiquing the genocide then?

Oh wait, there are none.

Who has been doing that?

You don't seem to understand what this discussion is about.

Conform to these regressive sex stereotypes or you need your healthy body parts chopped off is rather more conservative, you'd think.

But this trial has already run at least three times: by the Dutch, with some improvement in wellbeing (and a dodgy swap of scales about gender dysphoria), but quite a significant loss of follow up longer term, and with one death; by the Tavistock, with negative results; and the biggest of its sort, with higher numbers, in the US, with a lot of hidden results (parameters that were measured by not published), and no improvement. The only difference, in this one, is the presence of a sort of control group. There is no improvement (compared to the previous trials) in the length of follow up. Nor there are attempts to understand who are the rare kids who might benefit: additional psychological tests, different, more uniform cohorts (e.g. same sex attracted, children with ASD...). A badly designed trial that doesn't give answers in unethical.

Interesting that the poster talking about bigotry is referring to 'gender criticals' as one homogenous entity - almost like, err I don't know - bigotted behaviour?

'Bigotry is the obstinate, unreasonable attachment to one's own beliefs, characterized by intolerance, prejudice, and discrimination against individuals or groups with different opinions, religions, races, or identities'

The same as always, demonising & dehumanising non conformists to conservative ideals.

What are you referring to as "bigotry"?

"Meh" was in reference to the obvious flawed reasoning of gender criticals using children to justify their own bigotry not any suffering that may have been incurred.

But yeah, do continue to distract from the point of child exploitation if it gets you thru the night.

You expressed indifference - “Meh!” - to the OP that pointed out that children are victims of gender ideology, not just from medical treatments, but also from the harm inflicted upon them through allowing males into female spaces and sport, a safeguarding measure that exists (previously existed) to reduce the likelihood of such occasions of abuse.

Your point seems to be that because, in your estimation, the trans population is tiny, and because “by societies own metric, resources & attention allocated depends on numbers” meaning the number of crimes impacting children is low, there’s no response needed other than “meh” or “lol”.

Do you really think this is an argument that paints you as an advocate for children (“because Gaza!”)?

What are the rest of us? Silly Billies for getting all het up over nothing?

By societies own metric, resources & attention allocated depends on numbers. That's why rare deadly diseases aren't afforded as much interest.

In terms of criminal offences, it's already illegal to abuse children.

Oh wow, that's awful. Poor girl.

I had assumed it was combat sports with it being brain damage, so I was surprised I hadn't heard about it. Thanks!

Payton McNabb:

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/volleyball-player-shares-story-in-new-docu-after-life-changing-injury-by-trans-opponent-7274620/amp/1

Firstly, it doesn’t matter if it’s a “trend” or not, it’s happening and the point is that children have been impacted by males in single sex spaces and sport. That it’s happening at all is the issue. You said that because they aren’t “the most effected [sic]” then it’s worthy of a “meh”. Why do you think girls being sexually assaulted by males in female single sex spaces is “meh”?

Second, for such a tiny population as you describe, trans identifying males are over represented as sex offenders in prisons. They seem to be committing crimes against children over and above their purported population rate.

So how many children need to be affected by males in their spaces and sports before you consider it worthy of more than a “meh”?

10? 100?

Common sense dictates that if one was at all passionate about child abuse as they claim to be they would.

And having a keen interest on both topics AND regularly engaging on MN I can confirm the absence of the usual suspects on Gaza is obvious.

And its the same on X. All the loudest anti trans 'protect the children voices' are pro Israeli or silent on the genocide.

Who suffered bran damage? I work in sport and haven't heard of this.

People aren't obliged to engage on every topic just because they engage on another. Not doing so doesn't mean you get to decide what their stance is.

And unless you're monitoring people's posts or have an encyclopedic knowledge of every MN thread, you've no idea what they may or may not have said.

Isolated instances aren't the same as a trend. This just isn't happening at scale for the simple mathematical reason that the trans population is miniscule.

Quite the logician, aren't you?

The same Gender criticals not being as loud on loos as they are on Gaza is a fact on social media & MN is an example of that: See JK Rowling. You don't see any of the same ones on Gaza threads that you you do on the sex & gender threads.

Children have suffered sexual assault from males in female spaces, brain damage and loss of medals and places in women’s and girls sport, and your response is “Lol”.

Quite the children’s advocate, aren’t you?

People (sensible ones at least) haven't suggested that someone can change their biological sex though. I really struggle to take people who pretend they don't understand that (and constantly repeat some version of the 'people cant change biological sex' line like it's new information) seriously.

Especially places like MumsNet, in conversations where nobody is suggesting otherwise.

In addition, humans are sexually dimorphic, sex is determined at conception and nobody can change sex. We have known this for hundreds of millions of years if not more.

Whose benefit is this for? I'm not trying to be mean, it just baffles me!

You wouldn't on this thread because there are designated threads devoted to Gaza.

How can you possibly know what someone on an anonymous forum thinks or has said about Gaza? Or do you just assume that if someone disagrees with you on one issue they must be on the opposite side of every argument?

Very empty-headed.