Guardian on Transgender participation in the Winter Olympics

Agree. Good for Elis. Competing fairly in the right category.

Haha, so true!

I do think it's a very positive thing though (not the Guardian spin which seems to be intentionally conflating trans men and trans women).

"Person identifies and presents how they like while competing in the sports category for their sex" is a great message and one I'd like to see more of.

A trans person competing against members of their birth sex is not revolutionary. It is bowing to the massive campaign to put us back in our original boxes.’
Yes. Back in reality.

Sorry @oldtiredcyclist, I see that should have been to @HoppityBun.

I agree, but I never mentioned anything about sexuality, it was the other poster replying to me. It was the BBC saying that she was the first transgender athlete competing at the World Cup, which is totally unremarkable, because at the end of the day, she is a woman competing in the women's World Cup.
I think I may be with the majority on here, when I say that my view is - LGB refers to sexuality.
T (which probably includes non binary and all the other 92 genders) refers to a gender identity.

But that’s got nothing to do with whether she’s lesbian, straight or bisexual.

It just means she identifies as non-binary gender despite being female.

It doesn't suit the male agenda because it's not possible for a woman to cheat at sport by pretending to be the opposite sex. This person is genuinely an Olympic level athlete.

On some level most people do understand that the male equivalents are not outstanding athletes and wouldn't stand a chance in the correct category.

To my mind, what this athlete did is solidarity. She did not have to announce her gender identity belief. It is like a Muslim athlete competing in clothing that meets the modesty requirements of their beliefs.

Absolutely, Jelly.

I don’t think those men would even care that it is taken as a demand for subservience. Which I agree it is.

A demand for solidarity, or a demand for subservience?

Of course, people like Wu and Drennan are unhappy because her competing shows the lie in all the accusations of transgender athletes being ‘banned’. That group actually want female people with transgender identities to boycott sports events that they can legitimately enter.

Not only to add a false sense of strength to their argument about the ‘ban’ because people will assume those female athletes cannot compete if they don’t turn up in protest. The argument can then, of course, be that the bans ‘harms ALL’ trans people. When that is only partly accurate because those female people have chosen to self -exclude.

It is a demand for solidarity.

She is a woman competing in the women's competition. This makes perfect sense. The Guardian think this is newsworthy because otherwise she pretends to be a man and the G likes to also pretend.

Wu and Drennen are unhappy with the female competitor recognising her sex because men like them don't ever want their sex to be recognised.

All the above is very pleasing to us who never waivered from knowing sex is real.

Cheers, I thought I was going mad for a while.

If you read my post again, I said she identified as "non binary", which I simply copied from the BBC article.

Non binary is not the same as bisexuality.

Why do you think that because she has short hair she is bisexual?

100% this. I don't understand why everyone is cheering for this person.

She wants to be a he in all ways, yet clearly knows that means zero chance of a medal with her "fellow" men, so takes a place form a woman instead?

She is a traitor to women.

Your post said she identified as binary. So you do have an idea about her sex life. My point was that the information is irrelevant

Drennen and Wu don't appear to be using he/him pronouns for Lundholm. Using they/them instead. How interesting.

I have absolutely no idea about her sex life, or for that matter any other person's affairs.
The simple fact of the matter, is that the BBC think it is news that a woman plays for a women's football team.

Elis probably just wants to kick free from the what women are supposed to do, be, and look like shackles and get on unemcumbered while still in their own body.

Wu hates anybody or any policy that he feels undermines his claim to womanhood 🙄

I can’t believe Wu thinks those filtered pictures he posts of himself fool anyone. I’ve seen lots of video of him that has no filters: he’s a massive unit.

If that’s what he sees when he looks in the mirror, that’s a worrying level of disconnection from reality. And somewhat explains some of his nasty attitude towards the women telling him to stay out of female spaces.

Instagram filters have been damaging for women and girls, and this is yet another way they negatively affect us 🙁

I don’t want to minimise someone’s life, but isn’t this a woman with a short haircut who has sex with men and women? She can dress how she wants and have any hairstyle she likes but I have no interest in her or anyone else’s sex life and I don’t see that it’s necessary to provide that information.

Good point about the treatment being described.

Would they do that for a transwoman? And women were scolded so badly for even letting their fluffy brains consider that boxer Khekif was male.