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Hedgehogforshort · 15/02/2026 21:21

RogueFemale · 15/02/2026 21:18

@Hedgehogforshort I think let's start with a list of 'offenders' - ones with very clear women-only beneficiaries, and who are allowing men in.

ChatGPT can do much of this work, and I'm happy to double-check its results.

Shall we start of with, say, 20, targets?

I am not convinced that a single letter to the Charity Commission will work. It seems likely they'll have already had complaints (does anyone know whether they are captured?)

But, to be discussed. List of culprits first.

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Yes i dont have ChatGPT are you gonna do it x

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RogueFemale · 15/02/2026 21:18

Hedgehogforshort · 15/02/2026 13:32

Hiya gone through all that you have posted, and given it some thought, and a bit of searching charities as mentioned by posters. I note that SARAS say do not mention women and girls at all, and safe lives do not either.

And Thankyou for your efforts.

I think (but am open to opinion) that a long list as you described should be the first thing to produce.

With charity numbers included, which is always at the bottom of their website.

We can then sift through all the governing documents (on the Charity Commission website search register) to locate their objects, and delete those on the list whose scope is not women and girls, or women only.

So as with the above two charities if they only refer to people we can delete them from our list

We can then, look at

Who to scrutinise first depending on the size of the list

2 Then identify those that are in breach of their stated objectives.

3 Identify those which have funding that requires trans inclusion.

When we have done that we will have an “offenders” list.

Having taken on board all the posters comments I personally think we should not “pick” on individual charities, as I originally suggested.

I think we should take what we have found to the Charity Commission itself and demand they do something.

I am not very good at tech stuff and it would be of great help if you could lead on setting up templates and such like.

what do we all think?

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@Hedgehogforshort I think let's start with a list of 'offenders' - ones with very clear women-only beneficiaries, and who are allowing men in.

ChatGPT can do much of this work, and I'm happy to double-check its results.

Shall we start of with, say, 20, targets?

I am not convinced that a single letter to the Charity Commission will work. It seems likely they'll have already had complaints (does anyone know whether they are captured?)

But, to be discussed. List of culprits first.

RogueFemale · 15/02/2026 20:49

MarieDeGournay · 14/02/2026 23:48

Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?😁

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LOL!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/02/2026 15:45

QuirkySquid · 15/02/2026 09:07

"They want funding aimed at women and girls AND to include men trans-women"

Fixed it for you.

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Mate, that ship is so far over the horizon it will be arriving in Sydney tomorrow.

MarieDeGournay · 15/02/2026 15:37

QuirkySquid · 15/02/2026 07:30

So, just to be clear, your intention is to become a self-appointed moral guardian and attack charities - charities - for being too inclusive, right?
And you've posted this thread to invite others to do the same?

I'm not sure I can get behind this particular 'cause'...

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It's always a good idea to check you've got your facts straight before posting - maybe that's just me because I don't like making an eejit of myself in public, maybe you don't mind, QuirkySquid

It's doubly a good idea to check your facts before you start throwing around smears like 'self-appointed moral guardian' - that makes you look like an ill-tempered eejit.

It is indeed possible to be 'too inclusive' - inclusivity necessarily excludes people who do not belong in the set of people the charity is supposed to work with, and which it gets grants/fundraises for.
So a group that is defined as being for women and girls is for people who are women and girls. That that means biological females.

Another suggested factcheck: the Supreme Court ruling which said that in cases like this, transwomen are men - the opposite of your 'men trans-women' 'fix'..

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Hedgehogforshort · 15/02/2026 14:49

@Chariothorses I agree with you, but i think that if their objectives are wider in scope than just women, then it falls out of my proposed scope.

This would be sex discrimination and perhaps a wider scope could be brought in later. We would IMHO have no grounds for complaint to the Charity Commision if they do not promise SSS.

I have had a look at a few women's aid affiliated services, and the ones i looked at seem to offer a sign posting service to other agencies, for the T’s. So we need to watch out for that as i do not think that would be something we could object too.

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 15/02/2026 14:45

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Chariothorses · 15/02/2026 14:26

Hi @Hedgehogforshort Where charities are supposed to support beneficiaries of both sexes they have to be doing this. So if they are excluding women from help (eg because they refuse to provide any female only rape support to women) they are not acting in accordance with their charitable objectives.

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Hedgehogforshort · 15/02/2026 13:32

RogueFemale · 14/02/2026 20:58

What I suggest we do tomorrow
We start Phase 1 only.
To make that efficient, I’ll:

pull together an initial longlist of women/girls-only charities, likely including:
domestic abuse / VAWG services
rape crisis & sexual violence services
women’s legal advice charities
girls’ mentoring and safeguarding organisations
include charity numbers and objects, so everything is traceable.

Then you can decide:

which ones you want to examine first,
whether to narrow by sector,
or whether any can be excluded immediately.

One small but important choice for you When we resume, tell me which starting scope you prefer:

A) Large national charities only
B) Medium + large (including London-centric bodies)
C) All sizes (slower but thorough)

There’s no “right” answer — it just affects volume and pace.

Hiya gone through all that you have posted, and given it some thought, and a bit of searching charities as mentioned by posters. I note that SARAS say do not mention women and girls at all, and safe lives do not either.

And Thankyou for your efforts.

I think (but am open to opinion) that a long list as you described should be the first thing to produce.

With charity numbers included, which is always at the bottom of their website.

We can then sift through all the governing documents (on the Charity Commission website search register) to locate their objects, and delete those on the list whose scope is not women and girls, or women only.

So as with the above two charities if they only refer to people we can delete them from our list

We can then, look at

Who to scrutinise first depending on the size of the list

2 Then identify those that are in breach of their stated objectives.

3 Identify those which have funding that requires trans inclusion.

When we have done that we will have an “offenders” list.

Having taken on board all the posters comments I personally think we should not “pick” on individual charities, as I originally suggested.

I think we should take what we have found to the Charity Commission itself and demand they do something.

I am not very good at tech stuff and it would be of great help if you could lead on setting up templates and such like.

what do we all think?

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weegielass · 15/02/2026 10:20

I'm a disabled person, and used to work in the charity sector, and would love to re-entere but I've found it very alarming how vulnerable disabled women are expected to work with and/or be cared for by trans identifying males.

I was going to apply for a job at United Response until I saw they had a social care manager who describes themselves as a post surgery trans woman. I think this person is pretty senior but cannot remember their name now. They were all over social media after the SC ruling but cannot find them now.

Disability Rights UK put out a statement against the SC ruling.

RSPB has a they/them 'queer' head of DEI

Outcomes Star has a application form where you 'must' declare your pronouns.

If these examples could be added / acted on by people on here better than me at this kind of thing, it would be great. Not sure charities can get FOI though but maybe the charity commission?

PS maybe involve Seen In Charity too?

RhannionKPSS · 15/02/2026 10:12

Excellent idea

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/02/2026 10:06

QuirkySquid · 15/02/2026 09:07

"They want funding aimed at women and girls AND to include men trans-women"

Fixed it for you.

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lol everyone knows trans women are men

sad that you're still trying that one

Shedmistress · 15/02/2026 09:11

QuirkySquid · 15/02/2026 09:07

"They want funding aimed at women and girls AND to include men trans-women"

Fixed it for you.

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The only people that can be 'trans women' whatever that is are MEN.

Hope that helps.

QuirkySquid · 15/02/2026 09:07

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/02/2026 08:35

No charities must comply with the law both the charities act 2006 and the equality act

it's very easy for these charities to be compliant if they want to include men. All they have to is change their charitable objects to say they are mixed sex which usually requires a vote from the membership of the charity whatever that membership consists of. The charity commission then have to agree that that change ensures they still meet the public benefit aspect of charity law. Then they need to make it clear that their beneficiaries are women and men.

what they can't do is say their charity is for women and girls, have their charitable objects as women and girls and then include men

basically they have to be honest and transparent

something which oddly enough many of them don't want to be. They want funding aimed at women and girls AND to include men

no

tjey Cannot have it both ways

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"They want funding aimed at women and girls AND to include men trans-women"

Fixed it for you.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/02/2026 08:35

QuirkySquid · 15/02/2026 07:30

So, just to be clear, your intention is to become a self-appointed moral guardian and attack charities - charities - for being too inclusive, right?
And you've posted this thread to invite others to do the same?

I'm not sure I can get behind this particular 'cause'...

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No charities must comply with the law both the charities act 2006 and the equality act

it's very easy for these charities to be compliant if they want to include men. All they have to is change their charitable objects to say they are mixed sex which usually requires a vote from the membership of the charity whatever that membership consists of. The charity commission then have to agree that that change ensures they still meet the public benefit aspect of charity law. Then they need to make it clear that their beneficiaries are women and men.

what they can't do is say their charity is for women and girls, have their charitable objects as women and girls and then include men

basically they have to be honest and transparent

something which oddly enough many of them don't want to be. They want funding aimed at women and girls AND to include men

no

tjey Cannot have it both ways

QuirkySquid · 15/02/2026 07:30

Hedgehogforshort · 12/02/2026 21:08

Inspired by a post about Nottinghams Women’s Centre being trans inclusive, I think it is time we did something. Like pull the ruddy rug on them.

I don’t think it will need the extensive work of the NHS data thread.

There are hundreds of alleged women’s only services who are registered charities. They mostly have a governing document describing themselves as for women only but do not mention “transwomen” in their objects, but do in unlawful policy documents.

All charities have a beneficiary group, which they cannot stray from.

Also if they change their objectives to be “inclusive’”IMHO” the funds they hold on behalf of the original beneficiaries, must be handed back or ring fenced, which is why some of the major charities have conceded, ergo the WI and GG.

My idea is that we target our own localities and make a complaint to the charity commission, about the charity we are a potential beneficiary of.

what do you all think? Happy to coordinate this though i may need @knottyauty

meanwhile i am off to look at a few national bodies

So, just to be clear, your intention is to become a self-appointed moral guardian and attack charities - charities - for being too inclusive, right?
And you've posted this thread to invite others to do the same?

I'm not sure I can get behind this particular 'cause'...

FarriersGirl · 15/02/2026 07:18

@RogueFemale That is an excellent plan of action. I can feel my activist juices flowing!
@Hedgehogforshort I was involved in Knotty's NHS audit from the beginning [and still am]. We are probably going to need a method to collect and collate data away from this thread. This will likely need to protect the identity of the people doing the work and also protect the integrity of the information. If either/both of you want to DM me I can explain further.

MarieDeGournay · 15/02/2026 00:07

Look out non-compliant organisations, she's coming for you! Don't mess with the Hedge!😄

A call to all wims to challenge registered charities who claim to be women’s services who include “transwomen”

MarieDeGournay · 14/02/2026 23:48

RogueFemale · 14/02/2026 21:11

Sorry, it possibly should be wimmin not wimmen.

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Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?😁

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Hedgehogforshort · 14/02/2026 21:29

@RogueFemale will you marry me please?❤

in the virtual world lol

I have a terrible hangover from last night (was my DH work leaving doo from a local city Council)

just for information the senior mangers male and female were all very much GC.

And went out tonight for a valentine meal.

have read all posts and will have a clear head tomorrow so will respond then.

i don't need to own this project and am very thrilled at the attention it has drawn

thank you all you all wimms or wimmin.

it matters so much to me as my life has been dedicated to women's services and I know first hand how important they are.

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tropicaltrance · 14/02/2026 21:29

Girlguiding should be on this list.

"Our taskforce explores opportunities for trans girls and trans women to connect with and be supported by Girlguiding, while operating within our equality and diversity policy.

Our equality and diversity policy changed on 2 December 2025, following the Supreme Court's decision on sex and gender. For more on the policy change and why we made this decision, read our statement for members.
...
Here are some of the kinds of ideas the panel will be exploring:

- Ways to include trans girls and trans women. Like exploring how we might create new spaces or groups for them.

- Changes to how Girlguiding works. Like exploring how we might make changes to the way Girlguiding is run, while still operating within our equality and diversity policy.

- Showing support of the trans+ community. Like exploring how we might hold events, run activities, or campaign."

https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/information-for-volunteers/updates-for-our-members/taskforce-updates/

ProfessorDrPrunesqualer · 14/02/2026 21:16

Great idea
love to help

can scope out locals
SEast Faversham area spreading to Swale to the West and the rest of Kent

Or help with the big Nationals. Whatever. I’m easy

Wondering if we go for smaller charities first. They are less likely to fight against this than the nationals
worth a thought

Hedgehog, Rogue et all will follow your lead
🫡

RogueFemale · 14/02/2026 21:11

GooseOnMyGrave · 14/02/2026 21:01

Ah! Thank you. x

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Sorry, it possibly should be wimmin not wimmen.

RogueFemale · 14/02/2026 21:08

RogueFemale · 14/02/2026 21:00

So, @Hedgehogforshort would you like me to get ChapGPT to make a shortlist?

And which shortlist?

GooseOnMyGrave · 14/02/2026 21:01

RogueFemale · 14/02/2026 20:59

Short for wimmen = women.

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Ah! Thank you. x