A call to all wims to challenge registered charities who claim to be women’s services who include “transwomen”

to use the language of the usual women haters, lot of frothing going on. We must be on to something!

So if OP would have reviewed how charities registered with the Charity Commission, they would see that the rules DO NOT recognize complaints as a reason to close one down (see below). If you choose not to support them, like I would never support the TERF Island Council, then don't do it. Making complaints though gets you nowhere. Actually research these things before feeding into this right-wing nut job propaganda.

How to close a charity

It’s hateful if you choose to use hateful language, and it’s weirdly divisive to think that women should only campaign for women on any given issue. It’s possible to care about the health and happiness of more than one group of people. Fine if you don’t want to, but don’t be surprised when people find that divisive and strange, and when government and legal decision makers and funders don’t get on board, because they have to care about more than one group.

’The law’ and enforcing it in practice are different things, which you obviously acknowledge by your need for action despite legal decisions. If you think hectoring people is effective, go ahead, but Asti g the time and resources of women’s charities is the opposite of reaching those women you describe as ‘hard to reach’ (do people really still use that phrase?)

I’m with you on honest labelling, I just don’t agree with your tactics or language around it. It’s not about being ‘nice’ it’s about actually achieving anything.

The issue is males, not trans. And it's your group that harm and cause misery and pain to women and girls and rape/abuse survivors because you don't see females as human and deserving of sex based spaces and rights.

actually propose some fucking solutions for trans women and men too, because then you look less like a bunch of hateful agenda bashers.

Why is it up to women to come up with solutions for the male sex? Not that we haven't already - thirds spaces, but why must women do all the work? We advocate for our own sex. It's not up to us to find solutions for the male sex.

And why is it 'hateful' to advocate for female only spaces?

Think that might get legitimately turned down. Unless they hold a specific list of women's charities, which I doubt, it would be a lot of work to trawl all their registrants.
The CC is reprehensibly under-resourced relative to the size of the charity sector, it might be strategically more helpful for us to identify relevant charities & leave the CCs scant resources for investigation & action to bring charities back into conformity with their governing documents, itself a time-consuming process.

@Hedgehogforshort fantastic idea, are you going to do this on your own or coordinate a group. The NHS auditors have done a grand job and this seems similar

Apologies for spelling.

That was 'precious woman's centre'. Maybe my rogue spellchecker is trans? It's the only explanation.

Peace darlings

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Hell yeah! Let's cost a peecious.woman's centre most of their budget by demanding they only allow in the women we approve of! Let's endanger the staff and any woman tall, short-haired or just wearing jeans!

..or you could take that time, energy & money and spend it on Imara, an amazing Nottingham-based charity which helps child rape survivors (even trans ones! Like they're fully human or.something!) Every donation is life-saving, in the most literal sense - they give survivors of every gender back their future. It is badly in need of funds.

Though I suppose terrorising a Woman's Centre because there's a chance someone trans might attend is more pressing 🤔 Hey you'll make it a target for the far right - and make sure every woman not cookie-cutter girly gets abuse thrown at her. Wow.

And people say terfs achieve nothing. You bring p!enty of misery, abuse and outright harm. And bolster the far right of course. Well done you.

If you want to influence on this you need to understand the position of those funding and providing services, otherwise you make it easy for them to ignore you. Some people would rather be seen to crusade than actually win any battles, and that’s ok I guess.

Who is centring men over women? That’s your assumption based on - well, what exactly? I’m assuming you’re not familiar with provision in every women’s charity in the country?

You seem to be saying you’re happy for women’s services that provide a multitude of services - group, 1-1, helpline, advocacy etc - to ‘go down’ if they don’t conform entirely to what you want to see. I don’t think that’s very feminist at all, I think it’s ideological Puritanism. It’s an imperfect system and it needs change but this is not the way to achieve it, and honestly I question what it is some of you actually want to achieve.

The Charity Commission are unlikely to care about this, and individual charities will have already planned their line and will just give you that. A waste of your time and theirs.

If you actually care about women’s services being GC then lobbying the government for funding and actually suggesting solutions is a much better way to go. Victims Minister at HO and MoJ, VAWG advisor Jess Asato, victims commissioners - and actually propose some fucking solutions for trans women and men too, because then you look less like a bunch of hateful agenda bashers.

And if you’re going to use ChatGPT (nothing wrong with it as a starting point) edit the letter so it’s not so obvious.

Literally makes no sense in relation to what I said.

Sometimes it is not possible to attract sufficient funding or access to only work with women and girls on a trans exclusionary basis. That may change in time, but writing letters to charities or the charity commission is not what’s going to change it.

So you’re saying you hate and want to shut down women’s services?