A call to all wims to challenge registered charities who claim to be women’s services who include “transwomen”

How does the exclusion of a handful of male transvestites result in an entire service being unable to help women?

Sure. They're being incredibly stupid and pig-headed. That goes without saying. But the people who will suffer the most are the women who use and rely on their services.

I seem to recall it was a 'cis' man who challenged his exclusion by the Women's Institute that may have resulted in it announcing trans-identifying-men were, tragically, no longer allowed to join.

Any Charity whose Equality and Diverity has the Protected Characteristics wrong is also worth calling out.

This is the best practice example they should all look like
https://www.acas.org.uk/equality-policy-template

Aren't these "women's" charities leaving themselves wide open to being sued by including men. If there's any risk of being shut down it seems entirely self inflicted. Some disgruntled 'cis' man (perhaps with an axe to grind because they helped his ex escape him) is refused access to their facilities when they'd throw the doors open if that same man claimed to have a trans-identity. Pretty straightforward case for discrimination.

@Allisnotlost1 "And if you’re going to use ChatGPT (nothing wrong with it as a starting point) edit the letter so it’s not so obvious." Of course we'll fucking edit the ChatGPT letter. I said as much above, and that everything spewed out by CGPT has to be checked/double checked. It just saves some work by providing a starting point.

Well given some of the reactions on here , those letters are worth writing

Why is Nottingham Women's Centre open to men? Was any consideration given to the women using the centre at the same time the men were present? Or is there more than one type of woman in their eyes, and the xx ones should shut up and budge up?

So, who's going to help all the women and girls that use and rely on these services if they're put out of commission? Are we just going to wait for these non-inclusive, properly feminist centres to be set up in their place, bearing in mind that many were the fruits of a very grassroots and productive women's lib movement that doesn't exist anymore? The women on Mumsnet, great as they are, are certainly no replacement for the grassroots activists of the 70s. Who's going to be the next Erin Pizzey?

Yeah, despite being very much against the inclusion of "transwomen", I'm not sure trying to "bring down" women's centres that do so much on the ground to help vulnerable women - many of them illiterate, without reliable computer access, or not native English speakers, and so naturally excluded from this discussion - is a noble or worthy goal. Seems like more of an own goal - a bit cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Despite its ideological posturing and media spiel about inclusion, the reality is that almost every single person that Nottingham Women's Centre welcomes and helps is a real XX woman. I've seen maybe ONE transwoman there in eight years of regular volunteering and attendance at events and groups. They do a lot of good and real feminist work - supporting women, empowering women, sheltering women, educating women - on the ground.

No mate, we plan to make charities conform with the law.
If you're all bent out of shape that some men might be prevented from imposing themselves where they don't belong & never belonged, pull your finger out & set up specific charities for them

Trans identified women should be able to use the services. As this might make it difficult for some other women perhaps these organisations should apply some thought to that.

Trans identifying men seem to have a lot of celebrities, some quite wealthy, who claim to support them. Perhaps they could stick their hands in their pockets to help these blokes?

Oh my god. I can't decide what's worse - they desire to target women's centres (costing them precious funds & destroying their ability to help women), or the total.lack of empathy towards women who are different.

You are all planning to reduce the reach of incredibly precious services just because you can't handle the reality that some users might be trans?

Wow.

"their objectives were amended April 22nd 2025 ... I can’t access the previous objective"

I didn't realise that the Women's Aid Federation of England (WAFE) were such a large charity. They are a company limited by guarantee (like the Good Law Project incidentally) and you can find their filing history on Companies House website:

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03171880/filing-history

They had earlier objects but they were all worded very similarly. They all seem to refer to "women and children" and the only real changes appear to be that the objects have swapped back and forwards between "exposed to domestic violence" and "exposed to gender-based violence".

I hadn't realised that WAFE seems to be an overarching entity that has around 180 separate organisations as members. It may well be that some of those individual organisations have some very different ideas.

There was also an extract from the minutes of an AGM back in 2008 where people were concerned about male victims of DV and how that was to be handled.

There were concerns that including specialist DV services that were operated by men for male victims of DV would make things more difficult.

could scottish charities like engender and equate be included?

Bloody Good Period have closed down btw (from the list upthread

@Hedgehogforshort ill have a go at writing a letter Do you want to PM me a charity or a letter or shall I have a go by myself?