Mass Shooting in Tumbler Ridge Canada

The description should have been a male dressed as a female .
Such a tragedy and confirms my belief that nearly all trans people have mental health issues.

Quite.

There's an appeasement element which actually doesn't do transpeople any good in the long run.

You wouldn't normally get references to gender. It's not normal to have a female shooter.

We all bloody know.

I think the "female in a dress with brown hair" descriptor was probably issued at a time when it was still necessary to provide a description enabling people to keep themselves safe. So mention of clothing and hair colour was appropriate. It gained currency in the media because they are always so content hungry in situations like this, where there is little information and a huge audience.

Only it wasn't an appropriate descriptor which kept people safe was it?

I’m just waiting for ‘I don’t agree with it of course, but what do you expect when women cruelly exclude them and push them to breaking point…’ blah blah blah

Which rule of misogyny is that again?

Absolutely. It's beyond doubt that these are people with co-morbid mental health issues and "affirming" one of them blindly is not a good idea.

Too busy mourning for their 'sister'.

Absolutely devastating. My heart goes out to the families.

Described as female in a dress/woman yet pronouns throughout the reporting were they/their making it obvious everyone knew it was a male but they just couldn't admit it. Pathetic.

That's very naive of you.

I think the "female in a dress with brown hair" descriptor was probably issued at a time when it was still necessary to provide a description enabling people to keep themselves safe. So mention of clothing and hair colour was appropriate. It gained currency in the media because they are always so content hungry in situations like this, where there is little information and a huge audience.

The BBC is being reasonably appropriate in continuing to reference this descriptor, in quote marks, while also saying that the identity and "gender" (their avoidance of the word "sex" is the crappy bit) have not been released.

It is standard practice not to assert a suspects identity until there is formal confirmation, and given the initial inaccuracies about sex, it seems fair to leave confirmation of sex until identity is confirmed.

So I don't see any massive BBC failure here, though I will watch their continuing coverage with interest.

Apparently the alert sent out to warn people of the shooter said 'a female in a dress.' If true, ideological purity was put before children's lives.

We all knew as soon as we read the weasel wording. I still find it incredible that we have come to a time where the BBC knows it is lying, we know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, and yet they still persist.

There are probably many interlinked reasons for the huge over-representation of trans people in mass shooter numbers. Off the top of my head

1. An extremely high level of comorbidities with trans identification
2. The immediate ceasing of much mental health investigation as soon as someone identifies as transgender
3. The impact of cross sex hormones on already shaky mental health
4. The severe online-ness of many people with trans identities
5. The radical nature of the online community and belief in being persecuted and extreme action
6. The lack of action from "allies" or indeed most outside parties to extreme behaviour once someone identifies as trans.

There are probably many more, but even a couple from that list would be a toxic combination never mind the whole lot.

How long before the fact he was described as a “female in a dress” is used to justify the claim “you can’t tell”?

Absolutely tragic. Disgusting that the original news reports were calling him a “female”.

I knew there would be a thread on this, If it had been a woman, they wouldn't have added in a dress or brown hair.

I am so sorry for all of the victims.

There needs to be honesty both in reporting and in the fact that there does seem to be an increased link between trans identification and violent crime. This tiny minority who just want to pee in peace come up so frequently in relation to this kind of incident.

But what about toilets?

Yes, I thought there was something a bit iffy about the 'woman in a dress' phrasing. After all you don't read that 'a women in a dress was fined for not having a TV licence', or any other transgression. Sure enough, good old Reduxx came to the epistemological rescue.

And people with mental illnesses should not be led to believe that transition will make them feel better. It does not solve the underlying problem.

Funny how you never see the regular TRA ploppers on threads like this, isn’t it?

Trans people seem to be proportionally over-represented as school shooters.

As a true crime follower, another politically incorrect truth is that hunters and farmers seem to be over-represented among murderers. Hunters kill animals for fun while farmers kill animals for convenience, and it’s not much of a leap to move on to humans. Hunters get a thrill of “transcendence” when they kill and it can become sexual and targeted at humans (though not in this case, it sounds like trans narcissistic injury combined with easy access to guns).

As soon as a read the BBC headline that the shooter was “Woman in a dress” I KNEW they meant transwoman, ie male and I instantly popped on to Mumsnet to see who else had spotted it.

FFS! Not a woman! Not one of us!

I knew when I read "woman on a dress with brown hair" that it was going to be a man.
Pathetic

R4 now dispensing with sex/gender altogether and going with “suspect” and “offender”.

I can’t imagine how horrific this has been for that community.

Many are autistic

Absolutely tragic. So when are we going to acknowledge that putting deluded, troubled people on the wrong sex hormones is very dangerous for society as well as them?

The BBC are a disgrace.