Mass Shooting in Tumbler Ridge Canada

The responses! Canadians are not fooled.

Perhaps ‘person with brown hair wearing a dress’ would have been a better initial description? Accurate and not misleading.

Female in a dress is worse than useless as a description of a suspect.

What about height and build?

As soon as I saw “female in a dress” I came to MN because I knew it would be a male. That is/was not a female.

Hope all the survivors pull through. The poor families of those who’ve died and been injured.

The have said this
Earlier, a shelter-in-place alert described the suspect as a "female in a dress with brown hair"

They also said similar earlier, as I posted, while adding that the identity of the attacker had not yet been confirmed by police. Honestly I think we’re splitting hairs because people are determined to be angered by the BBC. Someone kept arguing with me earlier, then admitted they hadn’t read the BBC reports.

It's not that difficult to say 'initial police reports said they were seeking.....' Given the story has moved on from this anyway.

The trouble is that the BBC has been quite careful with the wording but it's a major source of news around the world and this leads to confusion in the repeated stories.

Thoughts and prayers from Justin

https://nitter.net/JustinTrudeau/status/2021580759153197450#m

If they stopped reporting the original quote, I wonder what people might accuse them of then? E.g. covering up that the police had originally reported the shooter as female. I’m sure many here would also take that as evidence of bias on the BBC’s part.

I knew as soon as I read 'in a dress'. If a female did do such a thing, I can't imagine them selecting such impractical clothing.

In terms of the 'BBC didn't know '. Fine but as soon as there was doubt they should have said 'person'.

They are no longer looking for the suspect so they don't need to stick to the wording of the original report.

That’s a great point. Media is generally trying to de-center the perpetrator because many of them end up being idolised by future shooters.
I know how upsetting I find it when news about violence against women as girls focuses on the perpetrators (“he always kept himself to himself” etc) rather than acknowledging the victims and impact.
I suppose this thread is revealing how many people mistrust mainstream media.

If sex isn't known they shouldn't repeat "female in a dress" all over the place.

Also, this is Canada known for disbarring a nurse for knowing about biological sex and willing to employ male teachers who wear size Z giant prosthetic breasts in class.

As soon as I heard that I knew it would be a male - 100%.

More and more of us are trying and at every turn there is some fucking grifter/ be kind nitwit flapping their hands and completely failing to see how truly dangerous a percentage of these young men are.

I agree. I think there is also concern about the impact of media coverage of mass shootings that focus on the perpetrator, and that this would discourage organisations like The BBC from reporting more than what has been officially announced.

I wish we could just call a spade a spade. These are almost universally emotionally stunted, autistic young men who had unfettered Internet access and feel a weird combination of thwarted desire and rage for women / society.

If you are parenting a young, autistic male you will need to monitor his Internet use like a hawk and do NOT let him live his existence online locked in his bedroom.

I am so done with no one just saying the unsayable.

Yes
It just drops out of the news. There was a shooting in Minnesota last year (not ICE) where it was all huge interest and then nothing

If she was going to shoot up a school, a woman wouldn’t put a frock on to go do it, very impractical.

Exactly right. Except, I would correct one thing. If the suspected murderer is this 17 year old, he was a child. He was a 17 year old BOY.

I'm not excusing his alleged crimes, but children need safeguarding and he was a child. Did someone tell an unstable 15 year old with a history of gun use, that he was a girl? If so, who? And, why?

This gender confusion doesn't come out of nowhere. Adults need to step up and take a share of responsibility for this and for every single time a trans identified child harms themself, or someone else.

Even if this person wasn’t trans (and I still haven’t seen anywhere verified that they were- not that I disbelieve it) I don’t think most news organisations would reveal the sex of the shooter without it having been verified by the police. I don’t know how much of a role it’s having. I don’t think it’s sensible to assume their sex is not yet being reported because they’re trying to obfuscate

I find it frankly disgusting to watch people stumble and fall silent to avoid stating the plain fact - this was a disturbed male.

This has happened before - a news story goes from being BBC front page with live updates, to sudden stuttering into silence because the facts are inconvenient.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/who-was-jesse-strang-18-year-old-named-in-canada-school-shooting-that-left-10-dead-dozens-injured/articleshow/128206626.cms

I think it is well known now amongst the medical community that all of the ROGD boys are autistic. Sadly, they’re not getting the care they need to manage distress and past trauma.
Psychologists are starting to stand up and offer therapy to these kids, but there are still many who are afraid to touch them for fear of being cancelled or worse.
If there are any healthcare professionals or teachers or others in positions of responsibility reading this, please do your research before mindlessly affirming a young person with multiple mental health conditions. You wouldn’t affirm an anorexic. Start by listening to the testimonies of whistleblowers who have worked in gender clinics to get a true picture of what is actually happening and the damage being done to our autistic young people.
Deepest sympathy to all the victims

Yes, imagine being the parent of a child killed by a man in a dress having to read the media and the authorities pandering to his delusion. It's sick that media outlets have done this so extensively in the past. It is putting the murder's wants over the consideration of the victims and their families dignity and the truth.

It's vile and evil and destroys trust in the media and authorities.

Credit to Al Jazeera for reporting with clarity in this case.

There's details on the gunman circulating on social media including more on his Animé fixation and how he wanted to be cute. Normally at this point BBC Verify or their misinformation busting team will pop up counselling gullible viewers not to take these things at face value.

This shooting wasn't actually featured on R4 world at one except way down in the headlines. They were running with survivors of Mohammed Al Fayed and Matthew Doyle

My heart absolutely aches for all of the victims.

They deserve respect and honesty and clarity. They should be the focus of the law enforcement, media, and government's most strenuous efforts, not the protection of some fragile idea of 'gender identity'.

Imagine working in the media, as a professional, and thinking your job is actually to collude in obfuscation of the facts.

We are in a dangerous place.