Trans patient records medical team during cancer surgery

He had no business getting in the ring against women. He could have killed one.

I don't know. We will find out, won't we? Sshe's never deserved the harassment and hatred directed at her regardless of the outcome.

Then he was your grandfather not your grandmother or had a dsd which would mean cais I assume
Edited as I posted to soon

But my great-grandmother was a man with a DSD who married my great-grandfather who was a woman with a DSD. They had three children but only my grandfather survived. Sadly, they came from Eastern Europe and they were killed and all the records destroyed during WWII.

I bloody love the internet.

The Olympic committee accidentally confirmed Khelif has a DSD when they gave a press conference stating that this wasn't a DSD issue and then later had to issue a correction that they should have actually said it wasn't a trans issue

For crying out loud! He's a bloke with a DSD. That's been obvious from the word go.

At some point it will sink in for this poster that actually, they don’t really understand the situation with Khelif. They also plainly don’t care either.

Khelif is not a female boxer and Khelif declaring that he is ‘female’ has become a significant issue because of the direct harm he causes to female people.

The tests were done by 2 independent internationally accredited labs on separate continents. Nobody is risking their reputation to mess around with results as they know the tests will be repeated in another lab

What are the chances of a 'grandmother' being a male with a DSD and having a grandchild who is trans?

Statistically that's got to be pretty small.

If Khelif believes she will be vindicated through upcoming Olympic/competition-related testing, then I will wait and see what happens.

Khelif has been tested by an approved lab. Do you think the outcome will be different next time?

Indeed, NS. The results were from an independent lab and also analysed and reported by an Obstetrician / Gynocologist specialist.

This empty ‘the IBA is corrupt’ is sparple. It is irrelevant to the point and always was. The IOC is corrupt too, but apparently that doesn’t matter.

“If Khelif believes she will be vindicated through upcoming Olympic/competition-related testing, then I will wait and see what happens. She is owed the opportunity.”

No male boxer should be punching female boxers in the face. The IOC has been hugely negligent here in allowing the loophole that it did.

So, no. I don’t believe that Khelif is ‘owed’ an opportunity to punch more female people in the boxing ring. Khelif had referred to the current regulations when saying he will take the test and pass. Because that is current IOC guidelines.

It is meaningless bravado on his part to make an announcement about doing testing under the current regulations. He is reducing testosterone as per the regulations.

That doesn’t mean he is a female person though. The reduction of testosterone for competition in a female category is only done by MALE people.

You introduced the 'evidence' from the IBA in the post I was responding to.

But the evidence isn't 'from' the IBA, is it?

Either you're being dishonest, or you're just so prejudiced on this that you don't want to actually find out the truth - you're willing to follow stuff you've been fed without actually looking at it. Grasping at any plausible-sounding excuse to ignore an inconvenient truth.

No female person reduces testosterone to compete in female sports categories.

Name one female person who reduces their naturally produced testosterone and who is not a male person with a DSD to compete in female sport.

You introduced the 'evidence' from the IBA in the post I was responding to.

Many women reduce testosterone for reasons that are varied. It does not make them men.

And now you are using side issues to discredit medical information. The medical testing analysed by a current medical specialist with no corruption attached to his reputation gave the factual results. You sideways swerve of ‘the IBA is corrupt’ is actually irrelevant to the case at hand.

The point is there are now numerous confirmations that Khelif is ‘reducing testosterone’. What part of that do you not understand?

If Khelif did not have testosterone being produced in his body at levels that need to be reduced, you might have a point. However, he has confirmed he is reducing testosterone meaning he has a masculinising male DSD.

FFS. Do some research.

Much like everything else in sex realism, the discourse and research on her life and condition are so clouded by prejudice. The IBA was proved to be motivated by corruption and was effectively deregistered as the world sport body for boxing. I would not be quoting them as an authority on anything. If Khelif believes she will be vindicated through upcoming Olympic/competition-related testing, then I will wait and see what happens. She is owed the opportunity.

You were the one who introduced your grandmother to the thread.

However, if your grandmother was seeking medical care, it would be important that all pertinent medical information be accurately presented in those records. Just like I believe nearly every other poster on this thread has suggested.

Mate

Do your own research before commenting on a very well discussed issue.

I didn’t make any assumptions about Khelif based on that video. I made them from having followed
his case since he punched women in the face at the Olympics. what was said in the video confirms what was announced by the IBA and is consistent with other announcements.

If you are skeptical, do your research. I don’t think I can be any fairer than that. I even offered to link up threads to provide you will information. Why are you still doubling down?

The presentation of that information on the link you provided was unclear. All statements claiming that she has admitted to having XY chromosomes use the same video, so excuse me if I feel a little skeptical about the intentions of the chromosome purity police.

I'm sorry to say that you would fail to refer to me as a man if we were in a social situation together. Is that a failure of sex reality?

This is Mumsnet. This website has made her medical condition very political.

Khelif confirmed he has the SRY gene attached to his Y chromosome.

Again, I would do some
research if I were you.

Khelif has been through sex testing and has been found to be a male person with a masculinising DSD.

I referred to your grandmother as male in a post. I have not stated that I would refer to your grandmother as a man if I was in a social situation with your grandmother.

Well done for politicising your grandmother’s medical condition though, to score political points on MN.

I suggest you do your own research as to which condition Khelif has and the back history. There are plenty of threads where we have discussed the likelihood of Khelif having 5ARD. Considering what has been recently confirmed, it is very likely indeed.

By the way, no people with CAIS or Swyer have to reduce their testosterone to compete. Only male people producing and processing testosterone from their testes do.

Ask questions if you need information, many posters on this board are up to date with Khelif’s situation in regards to competing in female sports.

And Khelif is not trans.

Again, that does not change my statement that Mumsnet would refer to my grandmother as a man. You confirm it.