Olivia Colman: “I’ve always described myself to my husband as a gay man.” 🙄

Butch?? Olivia Colman?

Is it her way of saying how unattractive/butch-looking she is? I can't stand the woman.

Yes and when men leered about how they were lesbians trapped in a man's body they were rarely called out for the fetishisation. Now it's positively celebrated.

If we're going to define femininity as "looking like Margot Robbie", then hardly any women qualify, probably not even Margot Robbie before she's spent hours in makeup.

We've spent decades with Heat magazine and its ilk pointing and laughing at women (not always women, but mostly women) who don't look like an airbrushed starlet all of the time. Funnily enough, the heavily made-up and coiffured actress winched into couture and softly lit (not to mention the resultant photos being touched up) looks very different when she's hauling shopping out of the car in the rain or leaving the gym without make-up.

This is just an extension of that. If you haven't made the effort to look feminine - hair, makeup, frocks, heels, demure and coquettish ways - then you must be a man. If you don't want us to call you a man, step up.

And it's just as harmful to men. Don't swagger round like a dick-swinging Tarzan, necking pints and getting into fights? You must be a bird because you're not a real man.

Fuck that shit.

It's incredibly homophobic for a heterosexual woman to say she really 'feels like' a gay man. She has 0 knowledge of what it feels like to be a gay man.

Sometimes the amount of nonsense going round in the culture is hard to keep track of. Especially the stuff that originates in the Very Online bits of American culture and then seeps into the very different British context.

15 years ago I would not have predicted a subculture of gay Jewish nerds pretending to be pagan fascist bodybuilders, but there's no other way to describe the Bronze Age Pervert and his network.

And if the American Right has its quota of gay people pretending to be straight, the American Left has a much bigger quota of straight people pretending to be gay.

And when America sneezes Europe catches cold; and mix that into luvvies' well known propensity for being utterly ridiculous.

I haven't seen anyone being unkind about OC's appearance. She's an attractive woman; if she weren't she wouldn't have been nearly so successful as an actor. She's a very feminine woman. If we're going to define femininity as "looking like Margot Robbie", then hardly any women qualify, probably not even Margot Robbie before she's spent hours in makeup.

The basic problem with actors is that they get their jobs because they're good at pretending. Often the characters they pretend to be have heroic qualities or intellectual depth, and the actors either wish they were like that or believe they actually are like that. George Clooney has spent so many films playing the one honest man standing up to corrupt institutions that I think he's come to believe he is his character. No wonder actors are suckers for con artists like L Ron Hubbard or Gerry Healy.

About being straight? Who does that?

Who has insulted her appearance?

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

It'll probably appear in Pseuds' Corner, quite rightly so! That's not hate, btw.

Oh, so you are a "hate the racism, love the racist" type?

I can respect that.

i have to admit that level.of nuance is ... unusual in the people who get their warm fuzzies accusing others of hate. Brava.

Anyway- there is nothing wrong with being fluid in sexual attraction. Imposing it on disinterested other people in any format is on the nose however.

[sits on hands to not make links with fetishes and auto gynophilia as i know that is not what OC meant]

Protesting too much?

Having reread OC's statement I'm now more interested in what 'staunchly' heterosexual means? Any ideas?

Oh ffs. You lot have spent years accusing people (women) of hate for asserting factual reality, not wanting to be reduced to a list of regressive performative stereotypes and not wanting to be sidelined, sacked, beaten up, cheated in sports, gaslit or silenced when they speak dissent. How has that been working out for you? And why is expecting women to put up and shut up not itself an extreme form of woman hate?

At any rate, it's never been hateful to laugh at a luvvie for being a plonker. Private Eye has had a section dedicated to it for decades and never got accused of staggering hate. Do me a lemon.

This ⬆️. It sounds very much as if OC has privilege the rest of us don't have.

Weird how pushback against the insidious hate for women that actually underpins enforced social rules/roles in the context of gender and manifests as waffle that reinforces stereotypes is the problem and not the insidious hate for women that actually underpins enforced social rules/roles in the context of gender and manifests as waffle that reinforces stereotypes itself.

Or not weird, since it's so insidious people don't even recognise that's what they're doing.

Please show the “staggering hate” on this thread. I saw one post where someone mentioned her overbite but I still don’t think that’s hate. We are also allowed to call out her nonsense for what it is without being accused of being hateful.

Like Olivia, I recently described myself to my husband as a gay man.

However, being uncool, unlike Oliva's husband he did not reply, "Ok, I get that."

Instead, he packed his bag and left.

I don't know...maybe he is an old bigot or maybe it had something to do with the 10" dildo I had just purchased and left by the side of the bed.

Sure, and I can call it out for what it is, hate. Disagreement on its own is not hate. Posters on this thread have insulted OC personally in many ways including her appearance. That is hateful.

There is no hate, just disagreement, but if there was, using your logic, why can’t people express their dislike for her if that’s how they really feel? Or are only some people allowed to express how they feel?

No it wasn't! Queer bashing was a major occupation for a certain type of man with a number of my male gay friends being subject to it in the 80s and 90s. A small number of activist groups (the GLF, Outrage etc) did attempt to reclaim the word in the face of extreme homophobia. But queer bashing men (and occasionally women) was a major sport for thugs who would lie in wait around the gay clubs in the 70s - 90s.

That's why so many of us still remember the violent homophobia of it as it was the lived experience of too many of our community.

eta - don't mean to derail. Just get irritated at the repeated rewriting of LGB history

Hate has become a substitute word for "disagree with". We disagree with her, therefore - according to some people - we hate her. It's just more polarising, limiting nonsense.

Quite. She should try that. See what happens.