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Labour's hypocrisy and indifference to female victims

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BeautifulBrackets · 06/02/2026 10:12

I need a rant.

I can't quite understand why Starmer’s appalling decision to appoint Mandelson is only now coming back to bite him.

The FT reported on Mandelson’s continued relationship with Epstein back in 2023 - to a resounding silence from the British establishment and media ecosystem, which says nothing good about the indifference of the powerful. An FT journalist asked Starmer about the relationship back then: “I said, you’ve got a very senior Labour peer who was staying at Epstein’s house while the paedophile was in jail. Aren’t you a bit worried about this? And Starmer just batted it away and he said, oh I know as much about this as you do.”

The developed vetting report on Mandelson prior to his appointment as ambassador raised red flags on both security and financial grounds. Starmer made a political decision to ignore the security service advice. His decision, not McSweeney's (McSweeney shouldn't have seen the DV report). I can see only two ways to interpret this.

One, Starmer thought someone who had been flagged as a security risk and had maintained his ties to a convicted paedophile was a fit person to represent the UK - he facilitated a situation in which the UK ambassador to the US was effectively providing reputation laundering to a convicted US paedophile.

Two, he’s stupid enough to have believed the excuses offered by a man who had already been sacked from government twice. That strikes me as unlikely, so it makes my blood boil when I hear Starmer doing his best moral outrage voice and excusing himself on the grounds that Mandelson lied to him.

What is making me truly angry, all over again, is that information about the depth and extent of Mandelson's ongoing links with Epstein and that Starmer knew that Mandelson continued the relationship post-conviction when he appointed him ambassador was widely reported in September. I couldn't understand why he wasn't forced out then. Kudos to Badenoch and her team for - belatedly - realising the killer question that needed to be put to the PM (the man who regards himself as some sort of moral true north and promised us the highest standards in public life), but why the fuck has it taken so long?

If Lab MPs genuinely didn't realise before this week that their supposedly whiter than white leader knowingly appointed the close friend of a convicted paedophile as US ambassador they aren't doing their job properly, if they did then they’re as morally culpable as Starmer.

I cannot stomach the hypocrisy and the hand-wringing from people whose inaction and lack of curiosity simply betrays the low priority they give to the victims of Epstein.

(The FT podcast on the September wave of this scandal is here, transcript also available. Worth a read/listen if you think I'm overreacting.)

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SionnachRuadh · 12/02/2026 21:31

You might have read beyond that sentence before you started spitting. I don't know what he's done to provoke you, but there's no need to take it out on me.

Anyway, instead of just appointing Antonia, we've now got three mandarins exercising the functions of Cab Sec on an interim basis, to go along with the two interim joint chiefs of staff, while Starmer dithers about who's going to replace the people he's thrown under the bus to protect himself. This may be the most Starmer thing ever.

BeautifulBrackets · 12/02/2026 20:00

@SionnachRuadh Gove has been saying from his experience of Wormald, he's a perfectly good public servant.

No. A thousand billion times no.
Wormald should have been ignominiously booted out a long time ago. I hate that he'll get a severance package and a fat pension, but government will be vastly better and safer without Wormald in it.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/02/2026 19:20

That's appalling, no wonder they have no clue, they're not just in an echo chamber, they're in their own family silo in the chamber. All the insults they slung at the Tories about corruption, when they're much worse. 🤮

SionnachRuadh · 12/02/2026 19:08

Juliet Samuel in the Times makes a useful point that may help explain why Labour's Westminster team are not very good at listening to voters:

The machine McSweeney did know how to get a grip of was the Labour Party, which is why Andy Burnham is still more than a hundred miles (plus ten billion brain cells) away from power. Unfortunately, the team he built to wield power in government was more like a Labour spousal commune, where the No 10 political secretary was married to the chief whip, the No 10 foreign policy adviser was with the chancellor’s political director, the No 10 political director was married to one Labour MP and sister to another, the chancellor was married to a senior civil servant and the most senior Cabinet Office minister was married to a special adviser, also in the Cabinet Office. McSweeney himself is married to a Scottish Labour MP. All of this might make for enjoyable away days but it’s not a formula for political entrepreneurialism.

This is a level of nepotism that even Newham Borough Council might think was pushing things a bit.

Labour’s humiliation is richly deserved

SionnachRuadh · 12/02/2026 17:54

There's a thing about the Cab Sec appointment that tells you a lot about how inept this government is.

Gove has been saying from his experience of Wormald, he's a perfectly good public servant. I'd qualify that by saying, if the secretary of state or PM knows what they want to do, Chris Wormald is good at getting it done. That's basic civil service skills. But if he's serving a PM who doesn't really have an agenda, is allergic to taking decisions and you don't hear from him for days on end... it's no surprise if he reverted to Sir Humphrey factory settings.

Lots of briefing for and against Antonia Romeo right now. That reflects her reputation as a go getter and arse kicker, which are reflected in her very effective partnership with Shabana Mahmood.

(Personally I am sad that someone called Antonia Romeo is being promoted to the top of government and Jilly Cooper isn't around to write about it, but let's crack on.)

What I find interesting is that there's briefing from No10 that Antonia was the candidate Starmer really wanted in 2024. I don't think they know how pathetic this makes him look - that he had this outstanding candidate but someone (who? McSweeney?) talked him into appointing Wormald instead. It's pathetic on a level with him complaining that Peter Mandelson told him porky pies.

In any case I think it's an obvious lie. Starmer was given his shortlist of candidates, with the final decision resting with the PM, and he picked the most Starmer-like candidate in the frame. You can tell this by the fact that the McSweeney people were briefing against Wormald within days of him starting the job.

Personally I don't like this trend for PMs ousting the Cab Sec - Boris ousting Mark Sedwill and then Starmer ousting Simon Case - but if they must do it, you'd hope a PM would have the self-awareness to say, I want a leader who's going to make up for my weaknesses instead of amplifying them.

I suspect what's going to tip the scales is that Antonia is a huge Arsenal fan. It's notoriously difficult to interest Keir in anything other than the law and Arsenal.

MsGreying · 12/02/2026 00:13

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 06/02/2026 15:28

Mandelson was the Labour Party's fixer for decades that why despite all the times he was fired he was brought back because the labour hierarchy didn't have anyone else that could 'fix' things like he could.

McSweeney's the reason he was given the ambassadorship, he and Mandelson were BFFL, Two Tier is to beholden to McSweeney and too untrustworthy as a PM because he clueless about things like this, he is too easily swayed by people he credits with having knowledge because he fundamentally lacks any knowledge himself.

Fixer as in Epstein fixed things or bob the builder?

GreenCandleWax · 12/02/2026 00:05

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 06/02/2026 16:04

What @MrsOvertonsWindow said.

Labour hate women.

I used to vote for them religiously, never again.

There is another thread on here about the inaction over the rape gangs in Rotherham, Bradford and elsewhere, Governments have ignored the issue and failed to act - both Tory and Labour - but what I cannot forgive Labour for is how cynical they in not wanting to rock the boat of the Muslim block votes. These voters will not be challenged and neither will the rapists. So Labour is guilty on both counts - it has betrayed women and girls, and it has done so to preserve a completely undemocratic method of getting Labour votes. Completely disgusting on both counts. They care nothing for women, and never have.

DrBlackbird · 11/02/2026 23:54

RoyalCorgi · 06/02/2026 15:34

Maybe Starmer appointed Mandelson precisely because Mandelson is devious, manipulative, good at getting people to do what he wants. And because he already moved in the same dodgy circles as Trump.

That’s what I was thinking.

House of Cards Francis Urquhart (British not American one) style scheming that because Mandelson was friendly with Epstein, he’d be accepted by Trump to give the UK a FTA and labour would deliver growth. Shame about the girls but needs must.

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/02/2026 23:47

FlyBy2026 · 06/02/2026 18:57

This ^

Starmer is no friend to women. I've absolutely despised the man since the Southport massacre of children and his reaction to it. This and his lack of interest in the child rape gangs in Rotherham.

Looking the other way at Peter Mandleson's friendship with the worst paedo on the planet is no surprise to me.

It astounds me that women on here are still sticking up for Starmer. Just wait a few weeks till we see emails and WhatsApp's showing us just how virtue signalling Starmer knew exactly what sleaze bag Mandelson was about and how he did nothing.

Starmer will go. The fact that he is still trying to cling on to power says all you need to know about him. He is, and has always been deluded by his own grandeur. He is a champagne socialist, trying to put the world to rights in his 2 million pound London pad and despite being the son of a toolmaker, doesn't have a clue about what real life is actually about in the UK. He is a fraud.

That humble beginnings ‘son of a toolmaker’ spiel of Starmer’s cracks me up - his dad owned a factory that made tools, his dad didn’t make them by hand using a forge and anvil 🙄

Mumscanbeweird · 11/02/2026 20:12

If starmer goes over this it's because rivals spotted an opportunity, not because any of them suddenly give a fuck about women.

BeautifulBrackets · 11/02/2026 20:09

Antonia Romeo set to join Alakeson and Cuthbertson on the glass cliff edge - apparently she's likely to replace the execrable Wormald as Cabinet Sec.

The Institute for Govt thinks that Wormald's failure and the manner of his departure make the job more difficult.

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womendeserveequalhumanrights · 09/02/2026 16:50

MimiGC · 09/02/2026 16:44

I must say it was galling to hear Starmer speak directly to, and apologise to, the women and girls who had been abused by organised rings of perpetrators in the US, when he has done nothing of the sort for the girls who suffered in even more horrific ways in this country. Unforgivable.

Agree 100%. Unforgivable and also cruel to the UK grooming gang survivors.

MimiGC · 09/02/2026 16:44

TonTonMacoute · 06/02/2026 18:54

This.

The sheer amount of hypocrisy is astonishing. Tens of thousands of British women abused horrifically by rape gangs, and nothing.

The Supreme Court ruling upholding women's sex based rights, being ignored.

I must say it was galling to hear Starmer speak directly to, and apologise to, the women and girls who had been abused by organised rings of perpetrators in the US, when he has done nothing of the sort for the girls who suffered in even more horrific ways in this country. Unforgivable.

Anactor · 09/02/2026 16:39

WaterThyme · 09/02/2026 09:33

Keir Starmer was a dedicated human rights lawyer. He worked hard for free in a number of important cases. Here are Helen Steel and David Morris talking about his help in the McLibel case.

https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/keir-took-mcdonalds

He is a disappointment as Labour leader. And either unable to admit that or feels there is no one who would do a better job.

Unfortunately he failed to understand that the qualities needed to be a dedicated human rights lawyer are not the same as those needed for either the Director of Public Prosecutions or the Prime Minister.

The DPP needs to be capable of prosecuting people whether or not he thinks there’s a human rights element to the case - and not prosecuting minor or dubious cases even if he thinks there’s a human rights element to the case.

The Prime Minister needs to consider the good of the country as a whole. That involves balancing rights; I don’t think Starmer can. I think he’s always going to go all out for whichever side he thinks has the strongest case.

But if you’re always supporting one group against another, the wider society will break apart. The PM’s job is to bring it together…

JenniferBooth · 09/02/2026 16:29

SionnachRuadh · 07/02/2026 18:29

I'm afraid Labour does have a woman problem that goes way beyond them never electing a female leader.

Exhibit A: Mandelson is the main architect of New Labour, more so I'd argue than Blair or Brown who were talent spotted by him when he was working for Kinnock. He's a skilled operator and he knows everyone and he's become the sage who everyone goes to for advice. So Labour can overlook small things like him being big mates with the world's most notorious sex trafficker.

Exhibit B: The grooming gangs scandal is not historic, it is still going on. Labour politicians at local level are heavily implicated in the scandal. Starmer's government massively resisted having an inquiry, and since they've given in, Jess Phillips has been farting about, delaying it, enraging panel members so they resign, trying to widen the scope so it doesn't deal with the specific problem. I don't believe we will get a meaningful inquiry under this government.

Exhibit C: The unions, for reasons that escape me, have outsourced their anti-racism work to the extremely rapey Socialist Workers Party. Every time there's a rally to oppose Tommy Robinson or whatever, it will be funded by the unions, supported by open letters signed by gormless actors and musicians, and Labour MPs will appear on the platform alongside SWP bigwigs, some of whom have been actively involved in rape coverups. This is more the Corbyn wing of Labour than the Starmer wing, but it shows it isn't just the Labour right who have a problem. And I don't believe for a second that MPs from the Labour left are ignorant of the SWP's record.

There are even Labour supporters on FWR who don't like me mentioning that last point.

I'm certain other parties also have sexism issues, but Labour seems to have a particular problem, and can't even address it because they identify as the party for women - which in practice seems to mean they think they're entitled to women's votes.

Exibit D Radio silence from Parliament about the conviction of the killer of Rhiannon Whyte

And the only national media outlet that gave a voice to Siobhan Whyte was GB News.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 09/02/2026 16:08

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WaterThyme · 09/02/2026 09:33

Keir Starmer was a dedicated human rights lawyer. He worked hard for free in a number of important cases. Here are Helen Steel and David Morris talking about his help in the McLibel case.

https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/keir-took-mcdonalds

He is a disappointment as Labour leader. And either unable to admit that or feels there is no one who would do a better job.

BeautifulBrackets · 09/02/2026 09:02

We know Starmer and Lab have a woman problem. Having been forced to get rid of McSweeney, he's appointed two women (because women are so feeble that one woman on her own wouldn't cope, of course, and negotiating a job share arrangement on the hoof is such a piece of cake) as temporary (because that will be so good for their authority) joint chiefs of staff.

Welcome to the glass cliff edge, Vidya Alakeson and Jill Cuthbertson. Typical Lab to wait until a moment of crisis and appoint women only when he has run out of other options and is effectively setting them up to fail.

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peanutbuttertoasty · 08/02/2026 15:21

What is it with Starmer and pedophiles? 🤔

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 08/02/2026 14:52

SionnachRuadh · 08/02/2026 13:01

Gabriel Pogrund in the Sunday Times on a Labour peer close to Starmer and McSweeney, who is coming under scrutiny for his friendship with a paedophile. Not Mandelson, though:
The other tarnished peer who spells trouble for Keir Starmer

Thanks for the link

"A New Labour veteran is put forward for a plum public role despite his known association with a paedophile. Keir Starmer is warned about it. Morgan McSweeney too. Despite a vetting process that raises red flags, No 10 decides to proceed anyway."

De-ja-Vu - director of communications, a posh version of press secretary, really is unbelievable.

SionnachRuadh · 08/02/2026 13:01

Gabriel Pogrund in the Sunday Times on a Labour peer close to Starmer and McSweeney, who is coming under scrutiny for his friendship with a paedophile. Not Mandelson, though:
The other tarnished peer who spells trouble for Keir Starmer

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 08/02/2026 12:33

I've come to expect government clusterfucks, but "the PM is in deep trouble because he failed to take David Lammy's sensible advice" is quite a thing.

I want the laugh emoji back. 😂

rickyrickygrimes · 08/02/2026 11:11

I think it's clear that the traditional and the 'New' left really do not give a shit about women. They never have and nothing has changed. Look at Scotland and the SNP - full-on self-identified 🙄 progressive politicians who are willing to sacrifice the rights of women and girls for every other 'vulnerable minority' that they can identify. Women and girls - the female sex - ARE the biggest 'vulnerable minority' across the entire fucking world, you smug tits!

On Peter Mandelson, he was known as the Prince of Darkness, which really should have been a clue. But the end justifies the means, over and over and over.

SionnachRuadh · 08/02/2026 10:59

Jason Cowley in the Sunday Times:

"Yet Starmer has no one to blame but himself. I understand he was warned by David Lammy, the then foreign secretary, and Jonathan Powell, the national security adviser, not to appoint Mandelson. Lammy favoured Dame Karen Pierce, who was well connected with President Trump’s people, extending her term as ambassador. Starmer listened instead to Morgan McSweeney, his chief of staff, whose “singular purpose” was to have Mandelson in place in Washington when Trump returned to the White House. But the final decision was Starmer’s alone, and he must now endure the consequences as the government braces for further revelations as the Metropolitan Police continues its investigation into Mandelson."

I've come to expect government clusterfucks, but "the PM is in deep trouble because he failed to take David Lammy's sensible advice" is quite a thing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2026 10:53

No worries, thanks.