Rape Gang Enquiry First Public Hearing

It was fantastic reading this. Thank goodness that you feel the same as me!

It's absolutely astounding to me the extent to which this has been brushed under the carpet at the same time as wanging on endlessly about Epstein (though noticeably less about his victims than about the impact on various famous men).

The BBC could be part of holding rapists and torturers of thousands of girls in the UK to account if they wanted to be. Nothing they say about Epstein will have the slightest impact as it's all US based.

They're making a choice. We see them.

We haven't paid the licence fee for a couple of years. DH said the other day that perhaps we should again - news, documentaries. I said that on the issues that really matter to me the BBC's news reporting is a fucking disaster.

This is another one to add to that list. How can they NOT be reporting on this? It is a massive scandal that's been rumbling along for years, with thousands of girls and young women involved. You'd think the Beeb would be holding the government's feet to the fire over this... but no. Working class young women, who gives a fuck about them, huh? And oh, it's all a bit sensitive, isn't it, so let's just ignore it.

And then a whole tranche of society has the nerve to be shocked, appalled and astonished when another whole tranche of society gives the finger to the established parties and the establishment in general. Rupert Lowe is not part of Reform, but this is highly likely to push more votes in Reform's general direction, as people refuse to vote for mainstream parties which clearly don't give a shit.

And they won't be believing a word the BBC says, either.

It makes me so bloody cross, because I used to love the fact that we had a national broadcaster that managed to piss off both sides in Parliament and produced high quality and reasonably even-handed programming. If the BBC had done its job, public pressure for an enquiry would have been very much greater, and it wouldn't have been left to people like Rupert Lowe and Julie Bindel to get the stories out there.

Sorry, went off on one rather there. I am so angry for those poor young women.

I suspect this is why it hasn't been livestreamed and hasn't all been public. Yes, I think people have been named and shamed and the next step is civil prosecution since the state is doing sweet fuck all to bring these monsters to justice and clearly never intends to.

And maybe there are loads of complaints because there are loads of powerful people in the police, social services, political parties, councils who covered up child rape, torture and trafficking over many years. And they don't want the truth to out.

Will the police and social workers etc be named and shamed in this enquiry? I hope they are.

It's so awful to live in a society where discussing child rape is a 'stunt' and people complain about it. What is wrong with people?

Some people seem to think the discussion of torture and abuse and trafficking of thousands of Uk children is worse than men actually doing the torture,abuse, trafficking and in some cases murder.

Thankfully thousands and thousands of decent appalled people commenting on facebook and X. This can't be hidden any longer.

And every single person who hears about this and realises the mainstream media has not covered it at all will no longer trust the press. Rightly so.

How can anyone suggest that survivors talking about how they were raped by 600 men is a 'stunt'. Broken fathers talking about how the police failed to follow up on his missing child even when he had credible evidence to think she was a street away from the police station. FFS. For shame.

Lowe is an independent MP. His politics are more on the right but he no more likes Reform than the leftist leftie and the most sneery progressive.

They fell out in a major way. No Reform MPs have been involved nor even attended - although ALL MPs were invited to come and hear the evidence.

Lowe organised the crowdfund IIRC but there are lawyers including a KC involved and Sammy Woodhouse - herself a survivor - is leading it.

Lowe has been clear his input is mainly awareness raising.

And Many MPs including Conservatives and Labour have attended. The Shadow Justice Secretary attended.

It's only the media who don't care for some reason.

And maybe there are loads of complaints because there are loads of powerful people in the police, social services, political parties, councils who covered up child rape, torture and trafficking over many years. And they don't want the truth to out.

Oh FFS, it's not by Reform. It's Lowe who helped organise it who Reform actively hate. In fact no Reform MPs have been involved at all.

Maybe make a cursory effort to fact check before posting.

Ah ok, I'd missed the GB News coverage. That answers my question - no embargo and presumably other media outlets are ignoring it out of choice. Thanks.

The fact is that this has been swept under the carpet at all levels for too long, and the left leaning media supposedly devoted to social justice have largely ignored it while rightly publicising the Epstein abusers. It’s hardly surprising that the survivors would use the only channels available to them to have their voices heard.

I don't think anyone on here are confusing the 2. As I said it's a victim led inquiry. It is not under the control of Rupert Lowe, even if his standing is increased by his involvement.
To call it a stunt when it is not over is premature. Next comes the report and then prosecutions.
It's only then you can judge.

Thank you Kemi.

I bet.

Also, it’s not Reform! Get your facts straight. It’s Rupert Lowe. He used to be Reform, he’s a very Reform kind of guy. They fell out. He’s just an independent MP.

I should add there have been 4000 complaints to Ofcom about GB News coverage, which may be the reason other media outlets aren't touching it, common or garden cowardice.
Also named witnesses are getting a lot of grief online, especially Fiona.

You lied about me! I said literally nothing about other victims of CSA.

I’m not talking about other victims of CSA, these women were fucking victims of CSA. Complete reach to DARVO that I’m not allowed to call you out for your callous attitude. Women don’t have to deal with their trauma through this government’s unwanted, likely half arsed inquiry, and people should respect their fucking wishes even when the channel they choose is unpalatable to them. Unbelievable.

For saying the inquiry is a stunt by Reform? But you’re allowed to lie and claim I said completely different stuff? Ok then.

I’m really not ashamed of myself, I think you should be.

Whatever you think about the motivation of Rupert Lowe (not Reform, it’s not their inquiry), the fact remains that several of the survivors wanted to be involved because it is survivor-led (by Sammy Woodhouse). Calling it a “stunt” just shows how little of a fuck some people give about what they think. The media don’t need to endorse Lowe, again, not Reform, get your facts straight, to publish some of the survivor testimonies.

I am not saying the victims are lying, I am saying the inquiry is a stunt by Reform. I believe they are exploiting the victims.

By claiming anyone is saying that about the victims, you are causing distress to victims of CSA and should be ashamed of yourself. You are doing exactly what reform is doing, and are using another person’s trauma to scare points in bad faith. Awful.

Also this isn’t Reform. It’s Rupert Lowe, he is no longer a Reform MP.

Are you saying these women are lying? Wow. It’s completely irrelevant who set it up, those are the personal experiences of women brutally raped and abused as children.

I said it was a stunt by Reform. For you to say that I am saying it is a stunt by the victims is, to use your turn of phrase, “pretty low”. And looking at some of the posts on here, it is clear some posters are confusing the two, presumably just as Reform are planning.