“A school faces a threat of legal action over policies that protect all children – so we’re fighting back.”

How can trans girls be men? They are boys.

i didn’t ask if you could understand that girls might feel boys (trans girls) might be predatory did I?

please answer my question. It was quite simple.

There's a version of similar questions asked of people with a trans person in their life. The results are different.

Men and boys are not women.

Girls are in her shower area, etc, etc. They are not given access. They access, as girls.

Edited to add: If that is indeed the policy. Gender critical beliefs could twist the intent of the policy any which way.

No, they still show a majority against 'puberty blockers for under 16s'.
52% to 31% with 17% 'not sure'. The percentages against opposite sex hormones or surgery are even higher.

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Transgender_study_2024.pdf

Men and boys are not women.

Girls are in her shower area, etc, etc. They are not given access. They access, as girls.

Edited to add: If that is indeed the policy. Gender critical beliefs could twist the intent of the policy any which way.

I accept that some girls may grow up being taught that trans girls are predators and are men they should be afraid of and absolutely under any condition should not be acknowledged as girls. I accept other girls may grow up learning that trans girls are girls, belong and should be included as girls as they will grow up as any other girl to be women.

I accept each group of girls could be encouraged to accept their environment or fight against the status quo. I imagine that adult influence would also have a massive influence positively or negatively on how a girl would feel in such a situation.

Her feelings are very real and should be heard. Resolution, if needed would take place within the rules and culture of the school. Just as any other feelings about situations would require.

Men and boys are not women.

Girls are in her shower area, etc, etc. They are not given access. They access, as girls.

Edited to add: If that is indeed the policy. Gender critical beliefs could twist the intent of the policy any which way.

Rather the OP should thank the adults in the school for deciding to force his girl to change beside a boy just because that boy said "I want to do that"

Awful though it is, there will be people in that school who genuinely think exactly this. Maybe most, if not all of them.

That the school promoting inclusion, being kind, being 'progressive', are all things you should be bloody grateful for.

The detriment to the girls, and the fact that is they who are being sacrificed, is fucking nowhere. Doesn't even crop up. Why would it? That's their job. Dur.

i'm copying this from another thread, even though it's about women in sport, the attitude is identical.

As one leading male sports journalist argued, in a 2019 column for The Independent: “Let’s say transgender athletes pour into women’s sport, and let’s say, despite the flimsy and poorly understood relationship between testosterone and elite performance, they dominate everything they touch. They sweep up Grand Slam tennis titles and cycling world championships. They monopolise the Olympics. They fill our football and cricket and netball teams. Why would that be bad? …In a way, it would be inspiring.”

Exercising the most violent misogyny inspires this nasty fucker. And he's happy to write about it in a national newspaper. Paid for it, in fact

There's a version of similar questions asked of people with a trans person in their life. The results are different.

Summation

Men and boys should be given access to the OPs girl in
▪︎ her shower area
▪︎ her changing room and
▪︎ her toilet block

You haven't got the first idea of what it means to be a woman @onepostwonder or about safeguarding.

You know how you feel. Not how women feel.

I accept that some girls may grow up being taught that trans girls are predators and are men they should be afraid of and absolutely under any condition should not be acknowledged as girls. I accept other girls may grow up learning that trans girls are girls, belong and should be included as girls as they will grow up as any other girl to be women.

I accept each group of girls could be encouraged to accept their environment or fight against the status quo. I imagine that adult influence would also have a massive influence positively or negatively on how a girl would feel in such a situation.

Her feelings are very real and should be heard. Resolution, if needed would take place within the rules and culture of the school. Just as any other feelings about situations would require.

Do you accept that girls at school would not want to share a changing room, toilets, or room on a residential with a biological boy.

you haven’t once tried to understand how the girls feel. It’s odd

That's how predatory beliefs have been embedded in our society. Maybe the Epstein revelations are giving major clues as to the nature of too many adults running our society.

Yes!

People seeing that it is absolutely the most powerful, the richest, the most influential men who have flocked to that fucking island.

Realisation is hitting that yes, these men really are sex crazed, porn soaked misogynists. Really, really woman hating.

So of fucking course this disgusting ideology has been allowed to flourish. Encouraged too, in fact. Driven to.

It's an absolute testament to women, globally, that they have managed to put the brakes on it all. It truly is.

And some men, obvs !

Anyone arguing with this at this point, needs scrutiny.

Yes. The longer this goes on, the more it can't possibly just be ideological. There are too many people determined to push it.

If nothing else, this thread has shown the breathtaking self interest driving these people.

We've said it a thousand times, if you dismantle children's boundaries and make it impossible for them to object, who will you attract?

Do you accept that girls at school would not want to share a changing room, toilets, or room on a residential with a biological boy.

you haven’t once tried to understand how the girls feel. It’s odd

This.
I've now stopped tiptoeing round this issue. If you insist that children have no right to privacy from the opposite sex when undressing, then you're promoting predatory values.

For too long society has been coerced and silenced out of safeguarding children. Remember, one of the first cohorts of children targeted by transactivists were children in the care of the state - those in foster care and children's homes. There's a reason for that. These children, isolated and away from their families, were told their confusion and uncomfortable growing bodies could be cured with a sex change. Not surprising that children in care are over represented in this vulnerable cohort of children.

With little or no resistance from the adults charged with their care, they moved on to schools and everywhere else children gather. Which is why we now see senior staff in a school arguing that girls have no right to privacy from certain boys when undressing, showering, sleeping and all the rest.

That's how predatory beliefs have been embedded in our society. Maybe the Epstein revelations are giving major clues as to the nature of too many adults running our society.

We need to remind people that if you impose the belief that girls have no right to boundaries and privacy from men, then you're working to de criminalise indecent exposure and voyeurism. It's that simple.

This.
I've now stopped tiptoeing round this issue. If you insist that children have no right to privacy from the opposite sex when undressing, then you're promoting predatory values.

For too long society has been coerced and silenced out of safeguarding children. Remember, one of the first cohorts of children targeted by transactivists were children in the care of the state - those in foster care and children's homes. There's a reason for that. These children, isolated and away from their families, were told their confusion and uncomfortable growing bodies could be cured with a sex change. Not surprising that children in care are over represented in this vulnerable cohort of children.

With little or no resistance from the adults charged with their care, they moved on to schools and everywhere else children gather. Which is why we now see senior staff in a school arguing that girls have no right to privacy from certain boys when undressing, showering, sleeping and all the rest.

That's how predatory beliefs have been embedded in our society. Maybe the Epstein revelations are giving major clues as to the nature of too many adults running our society.

We need to remind people that if you impose the belief that girls have no right to boundaries and privacy from men, then you're working to de criminalise indecent exposure and voyeurism. It's that simple.

There's a version of similar questions asked of people with a trans person in their life. The results are different.