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is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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weegielass · 03/02/2026 10:21

Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

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ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:43

They are talking in numbers ... Ive lost the thread.

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2026 15:37

JR: "GM's slightly strained interpretation"

Tiddler1976 · 05/02/2026 15:37

Can I just add that Aidan is fabulous. I'm fangirling as much as I do over Naomi when I hear him speak. He's to the point, and cuts through the nonsense in a way that can't leave any doubt.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:36

'I'm not making up the no men in womens prisons rule - it was written by the Scottish ministers, its very clear'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:35

'Its not a real convention right, its a fantasy journey in and out the dusty bluebells'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:34

'These are just assertions, nothing to support them. The law cannot be made on baseless assertions'.

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2026 15:33

So will we make women stay with men who threaten suicide?
Why are men who claim they are women so damn special?

LR keeps asking but why does AON have to come up with a solution for supposedly suicidal inmates who are trans?

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:33

Judge 'what if the only solution is a womens prison?'

AoN 'its not a solution'.

Tiddler1976 · 05/02/2026 15:32

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 14:35

As a domestic abuse survivor, I want to intervene. This manipulation-by-suicide-threat is the same bullshit my ex used on me to stop me leaving him and to make me feel guilty even though I'd done nothing wrong. I did leave in the end, and guess what? He's not dead!

I lived the same experience and see this as nothing more than abusive control of others. That this STILL gets quoted angers me as being who've seen violent, controlling and abusive men can see this for what it is and yet we have lawyers trying to garner sympathy using this tool.

Delighted to see that those involved in the courtroom are wise to this (apologies, I'm just catching up and sounds as if the Judge is on it!) .

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/02/2026 15:31

AO is right - the ScotGov argument is very TRA it's effectively give them whatever they want or they will kill themselves and it will be your fault.

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 15:30

ickky · 05/02/2026 15:27

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine I think FWS will have to get the Bailiff's to rock up at Holyrood before they get any money.

Ideally they could take possession of Holyrood itself, and kick all the numpties out :)

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:30

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These were references from case law, and I think the Scotgov's points were obiter mentions.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 05/02/2026 15:29

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ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:29

Judge notes suicide threats feature in domestic abuse.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:28

'Reasonable steps', not 'whatever the prisoner demands'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:28

'Asserted on the basis of absolutely no case law'. AON notes how offensive the suicide threats are.

ickky · 05/02/2026 15:27

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine I think FWS will have to get the Bailiff's to rock up at Holyrood before they get any money.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:26

AON's saying 'trans rights' invoked in fact mean you can have pronouns respected and get womens clothes, make up, etc, (in prison), but nothing suggests there is a right to go to womens prison. Referring to the case of extradited Romanian transwoman.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/02/2026 15:24

If ScotGov lose this case will they owe FWS even more money?

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:24

'Trans rights can be respected for males in the male prisons.' (Paraphrase)

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:22

'Predicated on a presumptive right for a trans person to get into a woman's prison, but there is no case law to support this'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:21

'An attempt to retrofit the policy'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:18

AON now racing through history of FWS' previous greatest hits.

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 15:18

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 05/02/2026 15:16

'Tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury'

This I think, from Arabella upthread

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The next line would've been 'Signifying nothing' 😂

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:18

Chalk and cheese listening to these two.

'Re-introduction of Self ID' - yep.