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is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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weegielass · 03/02/2026 10:21

Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 05/02/2026 17:26

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SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 05/02/2026 17:23

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 16:55

https://archive.ph/FPEkv

BBC article

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From the article

However, it does allow for circumstances where<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/FPEkv/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63823420" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> trans women - born biologically male - could be housed alongside women if they are deemed not to pose an unacceptable risk to them.

Holy double negatives Batman

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 16:55

https://archive.ph/FPEkv

BBC article

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 05/02/2026 16:54

Waitwhat23 · 05/02/2026 16:50

They've been putting them in there since at least 2006 -

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2026/01/26/why-does-the-scottish-prison-service-hold-men-convicted-of-murder-in-the-female-prison-estate-a-policy-timeline/

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Fair enough, I didn't check before thinking out loud.

Waitwhat23 · 05/02/2026 16:50

RoyalCorgi · 05/02/2026 16:42

You've got to wonder. Having said that, the Scottish Prison Service has been putting trans-identified males into women's prisons since 2014.

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They've been putting them in there since at least 2006 -

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2026/01/26/why-does-the-scottish-prison-service-hold-men-convicted-of-murder-in-the-female-prison-estate-a-policy-timeline/

Londonmummy66 · 05/02/2026 16:46

Got to love Miss Scott - I thought we'd run out of time so I've written it all down. But then give me 2 minutes and I'll do a great and rather rapid evisceration job.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 05/02/2026 16:43

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 16:35

Election day is 3 months and 2 days away...

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Election is on Thu 7th May.3 months exactly.

RoyalCorgi · 05/02/2026 16:42

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 05/02/2026 16:08

@RoyalCorgi I wondered what changed since 2022? When were the first TIM put in there, for example? Could be coincidence, of course ...

You've got to wonder. Having said that, the Scottish Prison Service has been putting trans-identified males into women's prisons since 2014.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/02/2026 16:40

MyAmpleSheep · 05/02/2026 16:25

Ooh... good point: "the commission is concerned that the policy removes the shield".....

And also runs the risk of undermining its application to other single sex spaces.

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 16:35

ickky · 05/02/2026 16:30

3 months then?

Election day is 3 months and 2 days away...

ickky · 05/02/2026 16:30

3 months then?

MyAmpleSheep · 05/02/2026 16:25

Ooh... good point: "the commission is concerned that the policy removes the shield".....

ickky · 05/02/2026 16:24

When this court hands down their Judgement, is it the same a the Supreme Court? Do they all go back to hear the Judgement or is it just released?

OhBuggerandArse · 05/02/2026 16:22

Am going to form the 'Little Hums of Aidan O'Neill Appreciation Society'.

(Hums are Pooh's way of thinking about important things like honey, or the weather or his friends. 'It isn't Brain, because You Know Why, but it comes to me sometimes,' says Pooh.)

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 05/02/2026 16:08

@RoyalCorgi I wondered what changed since 2022? When were the first TIM put in there, for example? Could be coincidence, of course ...

RoyalCorgi · 05/02/2026 16:05

What about women who have suicidal feelings? Do they matter at all?

From an April 2025 news article:

SUICIDE attempts at Scotland's only women's prison have more than doubled.
The number of desperate inmates at Cornton Vale, near Stirling, who have tried to take their own lives has rocketed from 15 to 31 in three years.
And the number of women self-harming soared by 78 per cent from 50 to 89 over the same period.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/suicide-attempts-womens-prison-doubled-144602667.html

Suicide attempts at women's prison have doubled

SUICIDE attempts at Scotland's only women's prison have more than doubled.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/suicide-attempts-womens-prison-doubled-144602667.html

OhBuggerandArse · 05/02/2026 15:50

AO'N making great play of how tedious it is to have to deal with the nonsense. 'O God...'

Enjoyable for us, am not sure it isn't pissing the judge off.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:48

'Scotgov are subverting both the EA and the HRA'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:47

'Following him down the rabbit hole, through the looking glass'

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/02/2026 15:47

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As this is Scotland then Carstairs would be the facility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Hospital

State Hospital - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Hospital

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:47

AON now attacking the semantic fuckwittery of the Scotgov approach. Not in so many words.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:46

'You cant disapply primary legislation under the HRA'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:45

'Its nonsensical. Its not good enough.'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:45

He's talking about not amending the legislation. Not attempting to twist it.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:44

Rule 126 - basic rule of men in men's prisons, women in women's prisons.

AOD - do i really have to go through all this nonsense?

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