is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

I hear you.

But then what next? Gay men have their own estate? Elderly men? Why does this protected characteristic get special treatment?

It just continues to buy into the 'sacred caste' idea that these men are somehow intrinsically a separate group from other men. The Judge said today 'but they aren't men'. 🙄

No, they are men. They are men with a characteristic protected by law, but still men.

100% this would be true. These men have zero interest in being incarcerated with other TIMs.

They just want access to their prey: women.

That does indeed look humane. (From the outside at any rate. Who knows what the reality might be.) I wonder if Thistle is the tough unit, where the hard cases go. I'd be hoping that the Sorting Hat gave me Begonia.

Headed by Nurse Ratched?

They don’t care about that. Obviously they would prefer to be around women especially if they think it is a more pleasant environment. But mostly it is about the games they can play and the control it gives them. Why do you think Randle McMurphy wanted to move to the mental institution? He didn’t believe he was ill.

Does anyone know if the stream is likely to be available to watch later? I missed the first morning session and won’t be able to watch it all tomorrow either.

Indeed...

Natch.

Was that not the crux of one prior judgement?

Judge did agree that any single male had a higher risk factor just by being male to any single female but that could be ignored when the State was placed in the role of decision maker.

I know. Why does everyone seem to think gender reassignment changes their sex?!

It would make perfect sense. Could have specialist prison officers and specialist medics. Could even have some Dr Az Hakeem-type group therapies where the post-surgery men warn the pre-surgery men that it is not a panacea.

I’m sure we thought that about Sandie Peggie and look how that went. 😭

Gotta make sure all the prison officers are also TWs, so as to avoid any potential problems around strip-searching :)

From Nick Wallace:

AO yes but he's still a man. he just has that protected char - and in that sense they are different. A man who is black has a partic racial char a man who is 60 has an age characteristic, but they're still both men.

I don't see why everyone else doesn't understand this.

He is. Not they are

This.

No no, make them look ridiculous.

Not a single one if them can surely claim that they're not in a women's prison... And if they do, they will undermine the whole men pretending to be women...

If all the people in there identify as women and TWAW then surely they'd have nothing to complain about....

My understanding - from info online - is that Scottish women's prisons are generally much more pleasant than those for men - a bit more like student dormitories in most cases.

Can't find the info I'm looking for apart from this.

https://www.sps.gov.uk/prisons/stirling

Same thing. Basically put them all together.

Me too. I have come to the view that by far the easiest way to handle it is to turn off my camera and microphone at the level of the computer (go to settings and completely disable both). That way I don't have to worry about the specific behaviour of any of the different software the tribunals use. What I do have to do, of course, is to remember to turn them back on again before my next video meeting...

The manual opt-out for A/V in these online tribunals still makes me sweat.

Why they can't send a unique, personalised link to contributors, with the hoi polloi automatically given observer-only access...

Oo er, is A O'N qualified to say that there's no "statistically significant difference"?

I think she's onboard, just making sure everything is covered.

Well I'm hoping so anyway...

Well, I think she is playing devils advocate, but if not there is always the Supreme Court.

I’m worried about the questions the judge is asking. Have a horrible feeling about this one.