is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

Same. They are men so we should call them that.

Bruce Jenner, even with all his money cannot pay someone to make him look like a convincing woman.

Even with airbrushing and filters, still looks like a man.

Transgender ideology is coercive control and because it's backed up by institutions, lots of people fall for it. It can be very, very subtle at first. You can see even highly intelligent people falling for the emotional and linguistic manipulation. However, in the prison service this should be nothing new. They must routinely have prisoners claiming their innocence and pulling all kind of scams and grifts. They somehow seem to resist murderers and rapists self-Iding as children to get out of adult responsibility, or as innocent despite the evidence against them.

I'm happy to forgive those who were not in positions of power and subject to coercion themselves once they wake up, obey the law and stop abusing women. Those who were in positions of power and paid to make difficult decisions such as those making decisions about where violent rapists are held in prison. Nope, they're literally offering up vulnerable women to be abused. I won't be happy until there's criminal accountability. Because even the fact that men are in a 'women's' prison and the women inmates are coerced into calling these men women is emotional abuse. Both on the part of the man and on the part of the prison service.

The people putting men in women's prisons are paid enough and should be competent enough to resist coercion by proven abusers. If they can't do that then they're shit at their job and at the very least should be fired and get someone in who can follow the law and at least make an attempt to uphold women prisoners' human rights.

And the champions of the stripshow contract term had their own changing area or non-front line jobs so no specific obligation to follow those infection control.

The old HR trick please tell us what we are doing wrong and pin a target on your back if we dont get the answer we want🙄

There's also the fact that Dr Maycock was employed as a Learning and Development Researcher with the Scottish Prison Service for their SPS College while he was doing this research.

Not sure how overtly critical women incarcerated in a prison operated by the SPS could be of SPS policy, while being interviewed by a SPS employee.

I’ve unfortunately met the lovely Katie. There’s absolutely no mistaking 6’5 Katie is a man. And even the most ardent TWAW! defender would not leave their kids left alone in any space with him for a nanosecond.

I think we saw some of those complicated dynamics at work among staff in the Peggie tribunal, involving women one wouldn’t normally identify as vulnerable but who were clearly effectively controlled by the TIM.

Utterly agree.

No more. We need to take our words back.

That is so true. I hadn't even properly considered the entire change of dynamics of women trying to get close to the TIM via a form of coercive control.

The risks involved are huge.

I'm raging tbh.

Quite! Filters are doing a LOT of work.

I've stopped using it. It is a deceptive term that clouds the truth.

and everyone looking like Bruce Jenner

Bruce Jenner with filters and airbrushing…

The very term "transwoman" enrages me now.

I was out with some friends lately and raised the Darlington Nurses victory. They both said they felt sorry for the HR depatment because it "was so complicated". I said it wasn't the least bit complicated. They intimated I was rather an extremist and transwomen may not be women but they certainly aren't men.

I pointed out 'Rose' took no hormones, had no surgery, went to work with stubble, wore boxer shorts and was trying for a baby with his wife. How much more male can you be than trying to father a child?

They were honestly shocked. They thought "transwoman" meant hormones, surgery to remove the penis, and everyone looking like Bruce Jenner or that actor from Orange Is The New Black, not a bloke with his meat and two veg wearing a blouse on Wednesdays.

Yup.

Look at the example of Lennon/Katie Dolatowski. Offended against little girls; remanded in a women's prison; discharged to a women's shelter which also housed children.

Later lied about his background and was allowed into a women's shelter in England. (Leeds, possibly?)

At the time, it was suggested that people might not have known that Lennon/Katie was trans. Believe you me - if you've seen the real Dolatowski rather than the filtered image that the papers carried when he was first convicted, there's no mistaking the fact that he's a man.

In the article below, D's FB picture is at the top. The real D is pictured towards the bottom. (The preview photo which shows here is nothing like D's real image.)

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/courts/3891445/katie-dolatowski-womens-aid-shelter/

No he isn’t. The judge has mentioned it, but O’Neil isn’t biting as such. He commented along the lines of ‘we are not arguing about taking certain women OUT of female prisons, but of putting certain males IN female prisons’ there is no comparison.

Many women in prison are very vulnerable, and as such may well be able to be coerced into some kind of pseudo relationship with men who claim to be women whilst incarcerated. As such, it’s not beyond one’s imagination to understand why they may well have a positive view on men being housed in the women’s prison estate.

I wonder if she thinks that the victims the rapists raped think they were men or not. Why is the criminal's opinion more important than the finding of the state that they're a man who's committed rape or indeed their victims.

This is so enraging.

Ultimately trans ideology is coercive control on a grand level - change the meaning of words such that you confuse, create fear, obligation, guilt. It's beyond depressing that this works on so many judges.

True!

No. It is so you can observe live proceedings. No recording is allowed by anyone.