is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

Just joined the live stream. What was the 'not going to break into song' about, please? I take it this man is the SPS legal representative?

Are there any or have been any TIF's in the male estate?

Does anyone know?

It really is amazing how there is all this concern for TIF's now. There was never a mention before FWS Judgement.

Not ideological? Sure, buddy.😒

He sounds desperate.

objectively? neutral?

I don't think he understands the meaning of those words.

I'm not going to break into song 😂

He is definitely saying words.

I think it is the same link for today.

https://scotcourts.webex.com/wbxmjs/joinservice/sites/scotcourts/meeting/download/c9f5fe87219edf1377c90bd870cad992?key=meet&parameter=mijaz

Not sure what was used.

However the government prison stats and FOI and public data published by the prison service shows the numbers of TIM are % higher than the non-TIM population

Yes, it was Morton who said this:

We strategized that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise.

https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/opaque-and-overdue-scottish-prison-service-trans-prisoner-policy-review

Utterly vile and disgraceful. They knew what they were doing by forcing men into women's prisons as a starting point, because, evidently, nobody cares about the rights or voices of women, especially the rights of "bad" women like prisoners.

I background listened to the case yesterday and thought I heard the judge accept that men are much more likely to commit sexual offences and that amongst the prison population TIM are much more likely to have committed sexual offences than the general male population.

I have not heard the latter spelt out in a court setting before. Does anyone know what study the court is using to support the statement?

It was the first major part of the strategy, which is why it’s the hill the SG is prepared to die on. And I hope they well and truly expire.

Was anyone else not shocked to learn that the SHRC's submission is aligned with the Scottish government?

Those were my thoughts too. It's a relief that they are not pivoting from their position that single sex means single sex.

In relation to the code of practice, their most recent statement on that was that it is legally robust (despite the Guardian trying to suggest they are changing their position under the new chair).

Read the book Trans Britain: Our Journey out of the Shadows, and there is one chapter in there by “ James” Morton, ( a woman identifying as a man ) where the plan to get men into women’s prisons is clearly stated as a strategy to get men into all women’s single sex spaces, the imprisoned women being the canaries in the mines…😡
If that plan is defeated , then most of the house of cards will fall , and that’s just one reason why the SNP aka Scottish government will continue their ridiculous, reckless, corrupt stand in the court of session today and tomorrow

On a side note, the submission from the EHRC is quite heartening, in view of the change of Chair.

I think Mr O’Neill is just Totally fed up with Explaining Reality to Fuckwits , although Lady Ross is definitely not thick…the Scottish government are

I was there yesterday and Mr O’Neil is excellent imo. He was direct, and firm, not doing “ my lady” bit every time he spoke, watching today will be interesting as it’s now the SNP AKA Scottish government’s chance to explain their thinking of why men should be in women’s prisons…😡

Also in the Times, don't think it'sbeen shared yet:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/a483a2a3-9b21-46d3-b5ac-b4805a4b8f3f?shareToken=ff12f05c82cb942ac108345f7a4f3839

I hope the proposed trans-only wing are in the appropriately sexed jail. We know from England that men in a wing for men who identify as trans in a women’s prison mixed with women.

From the Times.

www.thetimes.com/article/efddcba8-561b-4b0b-b101-fe5a003a6e20?shareToken=171268d8da372e135d8ae39601d757f5

Britain’s equalities regulator has rubbished SNP ministers’ claim that a ban on biological men in female prisons would breach the human rights of transgender inmates, it has emerged.

In a written submission to a case brought by the campaign group For Women Scotland (FWS), the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) warned that if biological men were permitted to serve time in female jails, then prisons would no longer be a “single-sex” service.

if it wished, the Scottish government could respect both the rights of women and trans prisoners by creating “bespoke arrangements”, likely trans-only wings, where the rights of both groups would be upheld.

I remember seeing that magazine cover and thinking that it was a picture of a very old woman wearing a corset and that they'd used a filter.

This is why I said women who are able to speak freely. No woman is prison is able to speak freely regardless of assurances of anonymity. And we have been told that women who complained about men in prison with them were punished.