is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

Where exactly do you think a post operative transsexual should go? A men's prison is a death sentence for a post op trans woman. Case by case allows the prison service to distinguish between a genuine transsexual who's post op and no danger to anyone and a clear chancer like Karen White or Isla Bryson.

The majority of men who identify as women in prison are sex offenders. And across the whole population men who identify as women are more than five times more likely to be sex offenders than other men - who themselves are fifty times more likely to be sex offenders than women. So stop with the ‘no threat to women’!

It does, as transsexual post op women have rights too.

They absolutely do, as everyone here will agree. But the right to be in a women's prison isn't one of those rights.

Without being in the women's estate she would effectively be confined to solitary confinement for her entire sentence

That's simply not true. There are many ways the SPS can keep safe such a man that they judge to be at risk in the men's estate. As AO pointed out, that's a management issue for the SPS to solve. But they must do so lawfully, and putting that man in a women's prison is unlawful.

You're likely to tell me that that man isn't a man, but a woman. With respect to your opinion, it's not your opinion that counts. FWS established beyond doubt that that trans identifying man (such as yourself) is still a man.

It does, as transsexual post op women have rights too. She poses no threat to women and is at a serious risk in any men's estate. Without being in the women's estate she would effectively be confined to solitary confinement for her entire sentence which would be a form of cruel and unusual punishment.

Obviously a post op man who identifies as a woman must go in the men’s prison. The prison service deals with men with all kind of vulnerabilities including elderly paedophiles and child killers that are a target for other prisoners. Women are not a human shield.

It does, as transsexual post op women have rights too. She poses no threat to women and is at a serious risk in any men's estate. Without being in the women's estate she would effectively be confined to solitary confinement for her entire sentence which would be a form of cruel and unusual punishment.

It's the prison services problem, and the only safe place for a post op transsexual is the women's estate.

It's the prison services problem, and the only safe place for a post op transsexual is the women's estate.

Again, not our problem.

It does, as transsexual post op women have rights too. She poses no threat to women and is at a serious risk in any men's estate. Without being in the women's estate she would effectively be confined to solitary confinement for her entire sentence which would be a form of cruel and unusual punishment.

Where exactly do you think a post operative transsexual should go? A men's prison is a death sentence for a post op trans woman. Case by case allows the prison service to distinguish between a genuine transsexual who's post op and no danger to anyone and a clear chancer like Karen White or Isla Bryson.

Any woman can still frighten and intimidate another woman. We don't send those women to the men's estate because of it.

This is a relevant question to the thread.

The argument is that the law permits a "bright-line" rule. Even if it may be that there exists a trans identifying man who may not be a harm to women in the women's estate (a point which is explicitly not conceded) the clarity and simplicity of a hard rule such as "no men in women's prisons" easily justifies infringing on the rights of certain difficult case individuals.

It isn't necessary for every man to pose a threat in order to justify a "no men" rule without exception.

So your question doesn't need to be answered.

Any woman can still frighten and intimidate another woman. We don't send those women to the men's estate because of it.

A postop transidentified man is still a man. Men without a penis cans still frighten and intimidate women. And I honestly don't care if this makes you sad, should have thought about all the implications before you got your penis chopped off.

She's post op so is physically a woman. That's no more degrading than shower next to anyone.

What threat does a post op transsexual pose?

I trust the prison service to make it safe in the men's estate or in separate provision but removing the safety of women and subjecting them to emotional abuse and coercive control - all of the women in a prison - is not a solution.

Wherever he goes, it's not in the women's.

And also, this is not women's problem to solve. The law is clear.

What threat does a post op transsexual pose?

It’s not just about whether they are violent either. Merely being of the male sex means that showering or undressing next to them would constitute a humiliating and degrading environment for the female prisoners.