is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

My neighbour has prostate cancer - he's completely impotent because of his prostate removal and oestrogen therapy. He's still as creepy as he ever was despite this, which is how I know of his current sexual predicament, because he spends any time he can get with me telling me all about it. You've all been there, you know how it goes. He may not be capable of sexual assault at the moment but I still don't want to pass him on the street and I wouldn't want to be locked up in a prison cell with him for 23 hours a day every day.

Exactly.

A post-op man is still a man.
The presence of a man in what is supposed to be a single-sex space for women breaches the safety, privacy and dignity of all of the women.
HTH.

I’m afraid the Supreme Court judgement states that transwomen are men. Reality has reasserted itself.

Post op transsexuals would not be safe in confinement with a sex offender. You'd need separate wings. Given how few genuine transsexuals there are in prison compared to men who pretend they have a trans identity (fuck self ID).

If we actually had any post-op TIMs in prison, I dare say we'd have heard about it by now. Nevertheless, women are not human shields.

I shall now decline to engage with the repetitive interruptions.

Repeating things doesn't make them more or less true. The sworn affidavits in this case contradict what you're saying. The judge can accept them, or not.

“Transsexual women are women, not men” - in your view. Many share that view, many do not.

A woman who does not share that belief will see and fear a male criminal in a space that she cannot escape from. A decent unbiased human being would surely feel as much sympathy for her as for the trans woman who is condemned in your account to a lonely imprisonment.

A post op transsexual on minor offences is clearly no threat to other women

WOW tell me you're a man, why don't you? They are by their very presence causing coercive control abuse and emotional abuse of the other women. I suspect women who've experienced these types of abuse previously are higher in prison.

It's a human rights abuse.

I'm sure suitable accommodation can be found. Apparently there are 6 TIMs in the prison estate so they can all be housed together. No need for solitary confinement.

Let's hear their oral submissions; but the purpose of this case is to find out if they're right or not.

I don't think it's reasonable to say that the only alternative to putting men in women's prisons is "permanent solitary confinement". I don't think the SPS will say that, and I don't think the judge would believe them if they did.

They clearly are true. A post op transsexual is no more a risk than any other woman.

They are men. And as I mentioned, as a group they have a very high risk of sex offending. So they won’t be on their own. There will be other such men.

That's debatable.

Yup. There are enough men claiming to be trans in the women's estate already. The obvious solution is to place them in a separate wing in the men's estate.

A post op transsexual on minor offences is clearly no threat to other women

Once more, you are stating things as facts that are not true, and are contrary to the evidence in this case.

The Scottish ministers are arguing it does, and if it doesn't it's a breach of international human rights law as it would lead to permanent solitary confinement for post op transsexuals

The law and biological reality says otherwise.

That's why there's a case by case basis. A sex offender who suddenly decided they were trans after being arrested is a clear threat to women and should be no where near a woman's prison.

A post op transsexual on minor offences is clearly no threat to other women and would actually be at serious risk in a men's prison. Where's the balancing there?

Castrated sex offenders do not cease to offend; they become more violent in their sexual offending.

Your plan would lead to transsexuals being left in permanent solitary confinement for their own safety.

Again this is your statement, and is entirely not established. Not even the SPS has said this. You are trying to conjure a "right" to be in a women's prison that simply doesn't exist in law.

Transsexual women are women, not men. Your plan would lead to transsexuals being left in permanent solitary confinement for their own safety. How do you justify forcing a prisoner into permanent solitary confinement?

But rights need to be balanced.

If you accept that there are women who will be harmed physically or - and this is a key issue - mentally by the presence of a male in a space they are compelled to be in and cannot freely leave, then you must accept that their rights and well being will be compromised if forced to accept ‘the right’ of the male to be incarcerated alongside females.

The Supreme Court case makes it clear that there is no priority of rights between protected characteristics.

Women are not support resources for men.

They could be put in the protected custody wing with the paedophiles.

How do you pose to keep a post op transsexual woman safe?
I don't need to. The SPS does.

Literally every man is a risk to her.
That is a statement of fact that is simply not established.

Completely lawful,
Well, let's see what Lady Rose says.

Well, Paris Green isn't post-operative. He's been refused an operation.

Come to think of it, I can't recall there being any information about post-operative transsexuals in any Scottish prisons, but if there are any (which I doubt) then it's up to the prison service to find suitably safe accommodation for them. This doesn't mean that they have to enter the women's estate.