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is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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weegielass · 03/02/2026 10:21

Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2026 11:02

Justme56 · 10/02/2026 11:00

Seems like the Scots government have now paid up on what they owed to FWS.

That’s great to hear.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2026 11:02

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2026 10:59

'Finally the Scottish Equivalent to the EHRC intervened. I was expect them yo be supportive of us as their messaging has consistently been towards the GLP section of the debate.

Instead they intervened stating that while they don't support the pursuer, the existing guidance on the SPS policy and guidance does not give enough weight to the rights of cis women to have single sex spaces.

I was utterly shocked at that betrayal.'

Then you havent been paying attention.

PTD is supposed to be the clued up one.

Justme56 · 10/02/2026 11:00

Seems like the Scots government have now paid up on what they owed to FWS.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2026 10:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2026 06:46

'Finally the Scottish Equivalent to the EHRC intervened. I was expect them yo be supportive of us as their messaging has consistently been towards the GLP section of the debate.

Instead they intervened stating that while they don't support the pursuer, the existing guidance on the SPS policy and guidance does not give enough weight to the rights of cis women to have single sex spaces.

I was utterly shocked at that betrayal.'

Then you havent been paying attention.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2026 10:53

WearyAuldWumman · 09/02/2026 22:25

I know that many women of my age have cancelled their membership of the party over this very issue.

When you look at the stats, the numbers who intend to vote SNP just hardly budges.

Party members are generally far more aware of issues than the nonbinary on the Haymarket omnibus.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2026 06:46

Reddit TRAs not happy. https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/s/HmH2Zw0suH

HildegardP · 09/02/2026 22:49

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And always, always buy it secondhand. One shouldn't like to contribute so much as a fraction of a Public Lending Rights disbursement to Burns.

HildegardP · 09/02/2026 22:45

WearyAuldWumman · 09/02/2026 22:28

I don't buy the 'agents of the British state' theory, however. I reckon it's just the case that they're so immersed in the ideology that they don't know how to extricate themselves, and some of them - eg N. Sturgeon - are after jobs in various international organisations.

There's also the effect of returned post-Brexit MEPs. The EU Commission has pushed Gender Identitarianism hard for a long time & the SNP are wedded to a return to the EU, so you get the likes of Alyn "Daddy" Smith pushing it in the Party as essential to their EU compliance. It isn't yet but worth staying abreast of Athena Forum because a lot of people in both Commission & Parliament are pushing to make at least a Goodwin level of compliance a formal requirement for Accession.

RhannionKPSS · 09/02/2026 22:35

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WearyAuldWumman · 09/02/2026 22:28

I don't buy the 'agents of the British state' theory, however. I reckon it's just the case that they're so immersed in the ideology that they don't know how to extricate themselves, and some of them - eg N. Sturgeon - are after jobs in various international organisations.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/02/2026 22:25

ArabellaScott · 09/02/2026 21:18

So the theory is that Swinney wants to lose the May election and is trying to turn voters against the SNP? By working to keep men in women's prisons?

Seems unlikely.

Largely because die hard SNPers - of which there are plenty - do not care about men in women's prisons.

I know that many women of my age have cancelled their membership of the party over this very issue.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 09/02/2026 21:30

Well yes, Wings, and most of the people who comment, are a bit batty about the conspiracy against Scottish Independence, but it does seem like the letter is genuine.

ArabellaScott · 09/02/2026 21:18

So the theory is that Swinney wants to lose the May election and is trying to turn voters against the SNP? By working to keep men in women's prisons?

Seems unlikely.

Largely because die hard SNPers - of which there are plenty - do not care about men in women's prisons.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 09/02/2026 21:09

The Rev has a piece on his site about it -

"We don’t know about you, folks, but it makes us sick to our stomachs. We honest-to-God wish we could believe that our leaders were merely morons."

I second that wish, the more I learn about this case the more 🤮

Wings Over Scotland | A Dumber Nation

HildegardP · 09/02/2026 18:21

Always good to remembers that the sexually-motivated TIMs are of two kinds. Transvestic Fetishists tend not to pursue genital surgeries & often tinker with their hormone regimes to retain their all-important erections. AGPs are beyond fetish & far into the realm of paraphilia. In love with themselves as "women", they demand genital remodelling.
[The congregation now turns toward Holyrood & responds; "Paraphilias cluster!"]

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/02/2026 12:12

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 09/02/2026 11:13

It's also not surprising that so many see vulnerability first if they're around children / young people in the grip of this belief.

I find the 'unquestioning affirmation' doctrine pushed by often fetishistic activists is especially insidious. Our brains are plastic throughout our lives and will rapidly adapt to what ever is presented as reality

Experiments show we quickly adjust to seeing everything upside-down | Research | The Guardian

The brain is especially plastic during childhood - being surrounded by adults who simply affirm rather than question will simply cement childlike thinking into adulthood.

I recall reading the Mermaids advice for schools over a decade ago when tasked by a school with working out how to respond to a boy claiming to be a girl.
The advice (for primary schools) was that the school should have an assembly to introduce the young child to the whole school in his new disguise.

I didn't have to be a psychologist to know that this was the quickest way of "cementing" a child into a dangerous belief, leaving them no opportunity for reflection or the changes brought on as children grow and mature.

It's psychological abuse of a child - and of all his peers who were expected to accept this fantasy as reality.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 09/02/2026 11:13

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/02/2026 10:52

Agreed that used to be the case but recently there seems to be a greater acceptance of the need to speak openly and freely.

Until the fetishistic / porn roots of so many demands made by transactivists are exposed - open access to girls and women undressing, women with a penis etc - many will continue to believe the "most vulnerable ever" narrative.

It's also not surprising that so many see vulnerability first if they're around children / young people in the grip of this belief. And they're right. This mentally vulnerable cohort have been gaslit by the older porn soaked powerful adults / groups. They are the vulnerable victims of this ideology and they are extremely fragile.

It's been a challenge to balance both of these groups and the "sacred caste who must never be criticised or challenged" has helped disguise the seedy nature of so many adults who've targeted the young.

Which is why we need to have these uncomfortable and challenging conversations

It's also not surprising that so many see vulnerability first if they're around children / young people in the grip of this belief.

I find the 'unquestioning affirmation' doctrine pushed by often fetishistic activists is especially insidious. Our brains are plastic throughout our lives and will rapidly adapt to what ever is presented as reality

Experiments show we quickly adjust to seeing everything upside-down | Research | The Guardian

The brain is especially plastic during childhood - being surrounded by adults who simply affirm rather than question will simply cement childlike thinking into adulthood.

Experiments show we quickly adjust to seeing everything upside-down

A researcher wearing goggles that inverted everything stumbled about wildly at first, but soon enough he was able to ride a bicycle

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2012/nov/12/improbable-research-seeing-upside-down

FarriersGirl · 09/02/2026 11:05

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/02/2026 10:52

Agreed that used to be the case but recently there seems to be a greater acceptance of the need to speak openly and freely.

Until the fetishistic / porn roots of so many demands made by transactivists are exposed - open access to girls and women undressing, women with a penis etc - many will continue to believe the "most vulnerable ever" narrative.

It's also not surprising that so many see vulnerability first if they're around children / young people in the grip of this belief. And they're right. This mentally vulnerable cohort have been gaslit by the older porn soaked powerful adults / groups. They are the vulnerable victims of this ideology and they are extremely fragile.

It's been a challenge to balance both of these groups and the "sacred caste who must never be criticised or challenged" has helped disguise the seedy nature of so many adults who've targeted the young.

Which is why we need to have these uncomfortable and challenging conversations

THIS 💯

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/02/2026 10:52

TheBlythe · 09/02/2026 09:29

MN have deleted many a post for pointing this out despite it being in the ICD or it being well established that paraphilias cluster.

Agreed that used to be the case but recently there seems to be a greater acceptance of the need to speak openly and freely.

Until the fetishistic / porn roots of so many demands made by transactivists are exposed - open access to girls and women undressing, women with a penis etc - many will continue to believe the "most vulnerable ever" narrative.

It's also not surprising that so many see vulnerability first if they're around children / young people in the grip of this belief. And they're right. This mentally vulnerable cohort have been gaslit by the older porn soaked powerful adults / groups. They are the vulnerable victims of this ideology and they are extremely fragile.

It's been a challenge to balance both of these groups and the "sacred caste who must never be criticised or challenged" has helped disguise the seedy nature of so many adults who've targeted the young.

Which is why we need to have these uncomfortable and challenging conversations

TheBlythe · 09/02/2026 09:29

ArabellaScott · 09/02/2026 09:24

Absolutely this.

Fetishistic transvestites are a clear, known, evidenced phenomenon.

But we are supposed to pretend they don't exist, despite being described clearly in the ICD in the section on 'gender incongruence'.

MN have deleted many a post for pointing this out despite it being in the ICD or it being well established that paraphilias cluster.

ArabellaScott · 09/02/2026 09:27

Re the Sun article: Good to see the faces and stories of the men the Scottish Government is so intent on cosseting.

ArabellaScott · 09/02/2026 09:24

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Absolutely this.

Fetishistic transvestites are a clear, known, evidenced phenomenon.

But we are supposed to pretend they don't exist, despite being described clearly in the ICD in the section on 'gender incongruence'.

KnottyAuty · 09/02/2026 09:20

@OpheliaWitchoftheWoods

There can't be a clash, because women have no rights to be clashed on.

💯 agree this seems to be the underpinnings of all of this

borntobequiet · 09/02/2026 08:21

The judge said that Johnstone’s offences were “very serious” and “basically a disgrace”. Though true, this seems to understate them somewhat. But it is a quote without context.