is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

God, I wish this man would blow his nose.

Is it also the basis of an appeal, if such a thing were needed?

What puberty do cross sex hormones cause in an adult who, by definition, is post-pubertal?

The SG has lost their collective minds. Gender ideology has a tendency to make people believe the absurd, and Voltaire taught us what follows from that...

Very good point.

It shows the lingo is used to skew the listners understanding.

Gritted teeth applied to avoid toplining For Women Scotland

The Scottish Prison Service (SPS) uses a system of individual risk assessments, but a campaign group has challenged this in court saying that only people born biologically female should be in the women's estate.

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Funny how 50% of possible transgender inmates get ignored.

IANAL but I'm pretty sure it's fine; certainly there has been no indication that we can't comment in real time. I think the general pattern is that we can't in cases concerning individuals, as opposed to cases involving the law.

This guy is making my blood boil. I suppose he has to do his job. Maybe he doesn't like it either.

I do get the feeling that the judge gets it, though that doesn't necessarily mean the judgement will go the right way.

I can’t see why we shouldn’t comment in real time on this; it is a public broadcast rather than something we have had to apply for permission to view.
Anyone have any legal opinions on that?

Mr O’Neill has the patience of a saint

Ah, real time commenting! I'd forgotten that's sometimes not ok

Maybe I'm over-optimistically interpreting, but I thought the judge's "Hmm" following that comment very expressive.

(We're allowed to comment in real time for this one, right? Nobody has indicated that we aren't, afaik.)

The reality of sex is not semantics you utter wazzock!!

"Driven only by semantics" 🙈

She has grandchildren, the court system denied her time with them because she said the truth about a violent man who was placed somewhere he didn't belong.

That's not justice.

Today's guy sounds as though he has a terrible cold. I hope it's actually allergies or some other problem, otherwise everyone in that room will have it by the day after tomorrow...

Sure, they mean the prisoner was puberty blocked as a young child, then moved on to cross sex hormones, then committed the offence. Such people will "pass" better than those who transitioned as adults, but will still not have changed sex, of course.

I don’t know if I can stand listening to this bloke. Between his delivery and the guff that he is spewing he’s on my last nerve already.

I think she's sueing.

The process was her punishment. Many of us followed her case and she is a very brave woman. And lost her right to parole for years because a male prisoner was placed in her prison.

Looking into what happened, the 'transphobic' prisoner was found not guilty. But while the accusation was in place she was denied parole (said her lawyer). I imagine that would be a powerful incentive not to speak out. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scissor-killer-cleared-over-trans-35252291

Nobody cares about women in jail. The ones who, almost without exception, have had lives of real difficulty. Most of them have head injuries because someone, at some point, beat her senseless. So, of course their education outcomes aren’t great, of course they have higher rates of addiction and of course they do things or don’t do things or make decisions which get them jailed.

chucking her in a cell with a violent man like Paris Green isn’t going to help.

Its just irrelevant. No matter how sad they are, men don't get to go in women's spaces.

Well if they know they're vulnerable they shouldn't commit crime.

the one and only desired goal is to use women. All the rest of the bullshit is merely flailing around trying to find a convincing enough reason to justify harming women, their rights and equalities

Well said - just wanted to repeat this bit of your brilliant post because this is the absolute heart of it. I hope the SPS and the SG are happy they're very much on the same page in terms of morality as the men in the Epstein files.

Why are these horror shows of human beings in charge and why do so many other people go along with it?

I know we have the bravery of FWS in contrast but it really shouldn't be this fucking hard. SPS and SG are breaking the law and harming women and denying women in prison their human right to a single sex space. . They should all be in fucking jail themselves. Maybe they can be put in the same area as the TIMs to be used as validation fodder since they're so keen on it.

“this experiment of 'no blanket rule' has been tried.”

Indeed it has. And it has failed.

It is time to stop harming female people by using them in any way as resources for male people who reject that they are male people.