is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

While simultaneously blaming Westminster for all the problems they created themselves 🙄

I think you could well be correct, the Shortbread Senate wants to show how progressive they are …99% of them are rogues, liars , frauds and misogynists

Fuck only knows anymore.

Is this all rooted in the Scottish parliament (i.e. SNP) trying to demonstrate that they are not subservient to Westminster?

A cell for a man and a room for a woman.

It’s all utter nonsense, the Mandela rules state that prisons must be segregated by sex, god knows he must be turning in his grave at this farce. It was bad enough when the ANC got a fake translator for the deaf at his funeral…

Haha, no wonder! This is why KCs charge a grand per hour... it's the only way they can tolerate this bullshit.

You can access the link to the livestream from Forwomen Scotland website. Nick Wallis is also doing a live meeting (he's not there, just watching on livestream) and a really excellent summary every day on his genderblog.net

Well quite. They seem to be arguing that as long as not sharing a cell it will be fine. Showers are communal are they not?

there are also other reasons we keep males and females apart for example the risk of pregnancy in prison should be avoided.

I think AO has lost the will to live. 😂

Tbh, even an acknowledgement that a woman shouldn't be required to share a room/cell (women are accommodated in rooms apparently, men in cells!) with a trans-identifying man would be a step forwards. Hard to see how anyone wouldn't worry about the showers though...

Now arguing that accommodation means a cell!

Naomi picked up on this yesterday in fact, writing on X "Excellent thread. You don't have to balance a man's "right" to access women's spaces against women's rights to single-sex spaces unless the man has such a right in the first place. If someone says he does, it's on them to explain exactly where it comes from.". The thread in question was by Lucy Hunter-Blackburn, https://x.com/LucyHunterB/status/2018987216207536383
in which she said among other things "At a most serious level, a person who is sleeping on the streets, and whose need for food and shelter is objectively extremely high, has no right to enter your house, sleep there and be fed by you. No one is going to talk about “balancing” rights in that specific context".

Thank God we don't don't have to listen to another garbled explanation of DSD's.

yes. Judge saying the argument presupposes that a trans identifying man has the right to be housed in a female prison and asking where that right comes from.

What's the answer? I missed the reference ("RC"), but it amounts to being allowed to live "as the person they have become", which... well, hmm.

If you are a long term prisoner, why wouldn’t you when it gives you so much power?

Most are housed in Ratho wing at HMP Edinburgh, where other vulnerable prisoners are, including sex offenders.

It’s not complex you utter prick!!!!!

Yes I think that’s the best solution really.

I don’t think it’s just about accessing women. I think a big part is to fuck with the prison staff with more and more demands that if it were not for the sacred ‘trans’ label would just get a stiff ignoring.

They already are deciding to transition to access women in prison.

There is no such thing as ‘genuine’ trans people. Either anyone who self IDs is no one is.

It absolutely is enough for a unit within the male estate and likewise delusional women who think they are men should be a separate unit woth the female estate.
I wonder how many men in dresses would find it so attractive if they know damn fine they will be in with other men? How many will suddenly find their “ trans identity “ then ?

Sooooo true. I'm struggling to follow it.

He needs to blow his damn nose

This man has such a borrrrrrring delivery style.