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is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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weegielass · 03/02/2026 10:21

Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

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ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:33

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 05/02/2026 14:31

kill someone to protect someone else's rights

What is he on?

Glad judge pulled him up on that, its absurd.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:33

Judge: 'the risk of suicide is becoming a complete showstopper'... '... it cant be that you stop doing article 8 just because of potential for article 2 breach"

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2026 14:32

LR is struggling with his arguments

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 05/02/2026 14:31

kill someone to protect someone else's rights

What is he on?

fanOfBen · 05/02/2026 14:31

"But but but" - yes indeed, my lady.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 05/02/2026 14:30

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GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 14:30

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:29

There was a rumour women could sue Ministers individually.

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This is my fantasy 😂
I want to take Swinney down.

BettyBooper · 05/02/2026 14:30

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/02/2026 14:27

It’s disgusting isn’t it? Absolutely shameful.

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Yep

'If any of these trans prisoners kill themselves because you don't do what we say, it'll be on your head m'lady...'

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:29

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 14:27

State-sanctioned coercive control. Scotgov should be prosecuted for domestic abuse against the population.

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There was a rumour women could sue Ministers individually.

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 14:27

BettyBooper · 05/02/2026 14:23

He is actually using threats of suicide to influence the court's decision...

State-sanctioned coercive control. Scotgov should be prosecuted for domestic abuse against the population.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/02/2026 14:27

BettyBooper · 05/02/2026 14:23

He is actually using threats of suicide to influence the court's decision...

It’s disgusting isn’t it? Absolutely shameful.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 05/02/2026 14:27

Can someone advise him to call 999?

BettyBooper · 05/02/2026 14:23

He is actually using threats of suicide to influence the court's decision...

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:22

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 05/02/2026 14:21

This suicide thing is getting on my nerves, there are other cohorts of male prisoners at increased risk of suicide ffs.

As the judge pointed out, all prisoners are at increased risk of suicide.

MyAmpleSheep · 05/02/2026 14:21

From Nick Wallis

GM .. I raise a TM because AO's challenge only covers one part. What can we do about TMs? We can't ignore them as my friend's submission does..

We must surely acknowledge the irony of TMs - trans identifying women, but women nonetheless - being prayed in aid to support the aims of trans identifying men - men.

Even in trans-world, women are relegated to the roles of levers to enforce men's desires.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 05/02/2026 14:21

This suicide thing is getting on my nerves, there are other cohorts of male prisoners at increased risk of suicide ffs.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 05/02/2026 14:19

Oh good

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:18

Oh, wait, no, he's laughing.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:18

Is Aiden O Neill crying?

MyAmpleSheep · 05/02/2026 14:14

From Nick Wallis

GM but the risk to that is that SM are failing to take into account TG rights. If I can look at a small sample - the risk of suicide. Did parly [Parliament] when it enacted the EA envisage it was creating a scenario it was increasing the risk of suicide in the population? The answer is no

Boom - there it is. As far as a court is concerned, Parliament is all-knowing and all-seeing as to the consequences of its enactments. Otherwise judges could say well this is what this says, but Parliament obviously didn't realize the consequences of its words so it must have meant something else. The whole of FWS depended on trying to ascertain the meaning of the words that Parliament used and specifically on not back-interpreting the words to fit a consequence the different parties claimed Parliament intended.

To put it another way - the only method Parliament has of stating its intentions is the words it uses in the Act. If the words normally constructed mean something, that's what Parliament intended. So, that point, I think, is completely wrong.

DameProfessorIDareSay · 05/02/2026 14:08

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 05/02/2026 13:52

Is this all rooted in the Scottish parliament (i.e. SNP) trying to demonstrate that they are not subservient to Westminster?

Yes, and, imho, the Greens have made this a red line issue for supporting the SNP as a minority government if the SNP do not get an outright majority at the next election. I’m just guessing, but it seems likely given how utterly bonkers the Greens are on this stuff.

Seriestwo · 05/02/2026 14:07

Risk averse = safeguarding.

he’s making FWS case for them?

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:07

Found it. Animal Defenders Int v UK.

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:06

What is this animal.defenders thing he keeps referring to?

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 14:05

'The easiest thing in the world' post FWS would be to have male and female.prisons.

Yes!!!

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