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is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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weegielass · 03/02/2026 10:21

Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

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GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 15:07

If suicide threats won't work, he'll bore the judge into submission

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 05/02/2026 15:06

Yay, he's finished

ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:06

Is he telling the judge how to do her job? Its inapprppriate to look at evidence?!

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 05/02/2026 15:05

I am expecting an evisceration at the very least

ickky · 05/02/2026 15:04

I am looking forward the the fire and brimstone from AO.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 05/02/2026 15:04

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2026 15:01

He knows he has nothing but keeps on going

Yes, banging on about suicide again, buried in all the waffle that's really all he's got?
And he made them cut lunch short for it!

ickky · 05/02/2026 15:03

We could have saved all this boring waffle, he has already said it is essentially they will kill themselves. The Judge basically said, we cannot rule based on threats of suicide.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/02/2026 15:02

More suicide threats. That’s really all they have isn’t it?

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 15:02

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2026 15:01

He knows he has nothing but keeps on going

I'm not sure this court is the right forum for filibustering.

ILikeDungs · 05/02/2026 15:01

He knows he has nothing but keeps on going

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 05/02/2026 15:01

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ArabellaScott · 05/02/2026 15:00

Its 3pm. He can FRO now.

ickky · 05/02/2026 15:00

Okay, it's 3pm off you fuck

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/02/2026 15:00

Ginasonabendernow · 05/02/2026 14:57

His tone is so boring I am struggling to concentrate but he seems to be pointing out to the judge all the reasons why he is wrong

It feels like he’s actually just trying to wear the judge down with waffle. Enough already!

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 14:59

@Ginasonabendernow
Hello, Future Me 👋

SternJoyousBeev2 · 05/02/2026 14:59

I keep taking my headset off as his voice (along with the drivel he is saying) is driving me nuts.

MoistVonL · 05/02/2026 14:58

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/02/2026 14:51

Jeez did he really just try to argue that putting TW in a male prison would kill them?!?!

Yes, that was my understanding. Thankfully the judge pulled him up on it.

It's all very "Look what you're making me do," isn't it? If you don't give TiM prisoners what they want it's your fault and you're killing them.

Gaslighting bullshit.

Ginasonabendernow · 05/02/2026 14:57

His tone is so boring I am struggling to concentrate but he seems to be pointing out to the judge all the reasons why he is wrong

Bertiebiscuit · 05/02/2026 14:57

If men are violent to other men that cannot be a problem for women - men's prisons are surely used to handling that. Women are not support animals for men, or canaries to test on in the mines.

GinaWhoLikesADrink · 05/02/2026 14:56

I think the judge is ever so slightly impatient, and I think it's because she wants him to go away and blow his nose, FFS.

RoyalCorgi · 05/02/2026 14:53

Sorry for not following the whole thread - I am starting to weary of it all. But would someone mind explaining to me the legal basis on which the Scottish government is arguing for putting trans-identified males in women's prisons? I assume they recognise that the Supreme Court has ruled that women's spaces are for biological women only, therefore how is it possible to challenge this legally? Are they using the Human Rights Act?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/02/2026 14:52

BettyBooper · 05/02/2026 14:50

Putting in a rule that TIMs can only go to women's prison if they threaten suicide will only increase suicide threats / attempts within that group. And the risk of death by misadventure.

This argument actually increases risk of harm to trans prisoners.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/02/2026 14:51

Jeez did he really just try to argue that putting TW in a male prison would kill them?!?!

BettyBooper · 05/02/2026 14:50

Putting in a rule that TIMs can only go to women's prison if they threaten suicide will only increase suicide threats / attempts within that group. And the risk of death by misadventure.

This argument actually increases risk of harm to trans prisoners.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 05/02/2026 14:49

I accept this may be a stupid question but if it is accepted that prison causes mental health issues but we still put people in prison how can it be said that Parliament has not considered it?