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is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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weegielass · 03/02/2026 10:21

Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

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Seriestwo · 31/03/2026 11:53

Meanwhile my grandsons nursery is asking for craft supply donations for Easter things.

SwirlyGates · 31/03/2026 10:55

I'd like my money back. They don't speak for me the bastards.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 11/02/2026 17:26

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NotAtMyAge · 11/02/2026 13:13

Waitwhat23 · 10/02/2026 20:34

From a comment on the FWS twitter post -

'£766,498.80 spent by @scotgov on the two FWS judicial reviews. Add in the costs of challenging the s35 order and the Scottish Government has spent a total of £1,136,973.04 in failed attempts to remove women's rights from law.' (my bold)

Just think of all the pressing needs that money could have been spent on instead. 😬

Waitwhat23 · 10/02/2026 20:34

From a comment on the FWS twitter post -

'£766,498.80 spent by @scotgov on the two FWS judicial reviews. Add in the costs of challenging the s35 order and the Scottish Government has spent a total of £1,136,973.04 in failed attempts to remove women's rights from law.' (my bold)

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 10/02/2026 17:45

Hallebloodylujah.

lcakethereforeIam · 10/02/2026 17:17

BBC’s article on ScotGov finally coughing up the money they owed FWS

Ministers pay out nearly £400k after losing Supreme Court gender case - BBC News https://share.google/atnpp4m6PRVIU3LIl

Two women with fair hair outside a stone building with detailed carvings. They are photographed from a low angle, with the sun shining on their faces

Ministers pay out nearly £400k after losing Supreme Court gender case

The Scottish government has settled a £392,500 legal bill with campaign group For Women Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mg04dx7ldo

MyAmpleSheep · 10/02/2026 17:13

solerolover · 10/02/2026 14:48

Surprise, surprise, it's been removed by the mods.

Someone else has posted this:

This individual is a rapist and should not be held in a woman's prison. Can we PLEASE stop trying to join the side of literal predators, pedophiles and rapists? Think about how that makes their victims feel. This person is a danger to women and girls and him being put into a men's prison is exactly how the system should work.

How long until that gets deleted too? He's a top 1% poster on that subreddit too.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2026 14:52

I'm so tired of the SNP trying to sell this reheated grievance schtick.

Run the fucking country. Stop posturing and swerving hard decisions. Start fucking listening.

They cant and wont, though. Criticism bounces off their echo chamber.

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2026 14:50

NotAtMyAge · 10/02/2026 11:46

Not sure whether this has been posted already, but just in case it hasn't. Stephen Daisley in the Scottish Mail excoriates Swinny on the prison issue. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15540499/STEPHEN-DAISLEY-Swinney-surely-doesnt-believe-men-belong-womens-prisons-truth-hes-prisoner-woke-cabal-heart-government.html

Good article.

'Swinney’s definition of a woman: an adult human photo-op.

The SNP doesn’t need to stand with the Waspi women. They’re the government. If they believe Scottish women have been unfairly treated over the pension age equalisation, SNP ministers can hand over the money tomorrow.'

Yep.

AnSolas · 10/02/2026 14:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2026 06:46

The struggle is real.

Woman assessed as high risk ends up in Womens Prison

Man assessed as high risk ends up in Mens Prison

She should be sent off to the Mens Prison just so that men can be sent to the Womens Prison......

Thats TRA logic 🤣

solerolover · 10/02/2026 14:48

Surprise, surprise, it's been removed by the mods.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 10/02/2026 14:48

NotAtMyAge · 10/02/2026 11:46

Not sure whether this has been posted already, but just in case it hasn't. Stephen Daisley in the Scottish Mail excoriates Swinny on the prison issue. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15540499/STEPHEN-DAISLEY-Swinney-surely-doesnt-believe-men-belong-womens-prisons-truth-hes-prisoner-woke-cabal-heart-government.html

Thanks for the link

"We are ruled by the intellectual fashions of intellectually shallow elites.

Ours is a midwitocracy: government by dilettantes. At the apex sits chief midwit John Swinney."

This is a great way to put it, it's what it comes down to, it sums up the whole of the Omnicause really. 👍

MyAmpleSheep · 10/02/2026 14:14

It could go either way - nobody has replied to that, yet. I'm finding the suspense to be challenging.

Is there a name for a "see what gets posted on Reddit next" junkie? I might be turning into one.

lcakethereforeIam · 10/02/2026 13:49

Wouldn't surprise me if several of the folx reading about Serenity suddenly found themselves coughing, shuffling their feet and feeling an urge to change the subject.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2026 13:40

FlockOfGoose · 10/02/2026 12:23

Someone who knew this vile man has commented there. I expect the comment won't last long on that subreddit so here is a copy:

I knew David/serenity personally from the ages of 15-19 (they would have been in their 20s when I met them I think) as well as his younger sister and I can assure you that they have never even spoken to a doctor about being trans. This is a perfect example of why you guys need to work with woman's rights organizations when it comes to cases like this. I can also tell you that even long before he became "serenity" that woman and girls already felt uneasy with him. Many of our male friends also could tell that something was off but I imagine I speak for us all when I say this we never expected to see this.

I am aware it's not right to deadname a trans person and I apologize to those it may offend but I'm going to do it here because as stated I can assure you personally that David is not a transgender person. This is someone who is using your struggle as a guise to continue being a predator if they are allowed into a woman's prison. David has always been for as long as I knew him very good at manipulating his mental health to have people feel sympathetic and look past this feeling by making you think "well he's just a bit fucked up, that's probably all it is" until it goes on for years and you can see its an act. This in my and many others eyes was another example of this once he "came out".

David was also married to a girl I went to school with who again I will probably be a bit off with the ages who at the time was I believe 18 and he was 29 when they got married and she was 16 when they began dating. I know that's totally legal in the UK but I'm sorry that's weird and creepy and borderline nonce material. Said girl also had a young girl of her own so I pray for all that is good that they never done anything to them. This marriage fell apart when they became Serenity and in his ex wife's own words "hes manipulative and uses his mental health against you".

As someone who knew this person well I can assure you this is not a case you want to touch and use as an example of you being attacked. David is a predator, Serenity is a cover.

There are details I have emitted from this post that I could add but honestly I don't think I could in good faith knowing his sister and ex wife personally still I don't think it would be right to talk about much more without their blessing.

https://archive.ph/EhIWA

David/Serenity sounds like he’d be right at home among the TRAs there. Also rolling my eyes at “Your struggle” - give me strength.

WearyAuldWumman · 10/02/2026 12:27

HildegardP · 09/02/2026 22:45

There's also the effect of returned post-Brexit MEPs. The EU Commission has pushed Gender Identitarianism hard for a long time & the SNP are wedded to a return to the EU, so you get the likes of Alyn "Daddy" Smith pushing it in the Party as essential to their EU compliance. It isn't yet but worth staying abreast of Athena Forum because a lot of people in both Commission & Parliament are pushing to make at least a Goodwin level of compliance a formal requirement for Accession.

Daddy is a creep.

FlockOfGoose · 10/02/2026 12:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/02/2026 06:46

Someone who knew this vile man has commented there. I expect the comment won't last long on that subreddit so here is a copy:

I knew David/serenity personally from the ages of 15-19 (they would have been in their 20s when I met them I think) as well as his younger sister and I can assure you that they have never even spoken to a doctor about being trans. This is a perfect example of why you guys need to work with woman's rights organizations when it comes to cases like this. I can also tell you that even long before he became "serenity" that woman and girls already felt uneasy with him. Many of our male friends also could tell that something was off but I imagine I speak for us all when I say this we never expected to see this.

I am aware it's not right to deadname a trans person and I apologize to those it may offend but I'm going to do it here because as stated I can assure you personally that David is not a transgender person. This is someone who is using your struggle as a guise to continue being a predator if they are allowed into a woman's prison. David has always been for as long as I knew him very good at manipulating his mental health to have people feel sympathetic and look past this feeling by making you think "well he's just a bit fucked up, that's probably all it is" until it goes on for years and you can see its an act. This in my and many others eyes was another example of this once he "came out".

David was also married to a girl I went to school with who again I will probably be a bit off with the ages who at the time was I believe 18 and he was 29 when they got married and she was 16 when they began dating. I know that's totally legal in the UK but I'm sorry that's weird and creepy and borderline nonce material. Said girl also had a young girl of her own so I pray for all that is good that they never done anything to them. This marriage fell apart when they became Serenity and in his ex wife's own words "hes manipulative and uses his mental health against you".

As someone who knew this person well I can assure you this is not a case you want to touch and use as an example of you being attacked. David is a predator, Serenity is a cover.

There are details I have emitted from this post that I could add but honestly I don't think I could in good faith knowing his sister and ex wife personally still I don't think it would be right to talk about much more without their blessing.

https://archive.ph/EhIWA

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 10/02/2026 12:16

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 10/02/2026 12:04

From FWS:

The Scottish Government spent £766, 498.80 on the two FWS judicial reviews. If you also add in the costs of challenging the s35 order the Scottish Government has spent a total of £1,136,973.04 in court on failed attempts to remove women's rights from law.

God they hate women, don't they? Wonder how much actual medical care that would have funded, or school support for children with SEND?

What amazing women the 3 directors of FWS are. Met on MN on this board I believe - amazing stuff.

Plus we've done the audit. Led by the amazing Knotty
Women on MN shouldn't be underestimated 💪

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 10/02/2026 12:04

Justme56 · 10/02/2026 11:00

Seems like the Scots government have now paid up on what they owed to FWS.

From FWS:

The Scottish Government spent £766, 498.80 on the two FWS judicial reviews. If you also add in the costs of challenging the s35 order the Scottish Government has spent a total of £1,136,973.04 in court on failed attempts to remove women's rights from law.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 10/02/2026 11:09

"I was utterly shocked at that betrayal."

I wonder what that feels like 🤔

RhannionKPSS · 10/02/2026 11:08

Hurrah ! About bloody time

ArabellaScott · 10/02/2026 11:07

Justme56 · 10/02/2026 11:00

Seems like the Scots government have now paid up on what they owed to FWS.

At last.