John Lithgow on JK Rowling

If a male has a fixed belief that he is female is this factual or a delusion?

Neither. It's a subjective opinion which is the point JKR & you are missing because of the false belief that the gendered concepts of 'man' & 'woman' are only based on reproductive characteristics. Human concepts are simply human interpretations of phenomena that vary from individual to individual. They might encompass objective facts but aren't objective facts in of themselves & as such are socially constructed via societal subjective opinion.

People who live in any social structure can self determination as much as they please. She as far as I am aware has never objected to that.
Can you point out where she¹ has done so?

And above explains how JKR undermines self determination via her false belief that her own subjective opinion is a fact. In the act of rejecting the subjectivity of another's experience as a 'fantasy' she invalidates their claim to self determination. And herein lies the perverseness of her position..the inability to recognise fact from opinion.

It's no different to invalidating the experience of homosexuality & by extension their claim to self determination because of the assertion it's a delusion.

Both type of producers can get paid so ... sign here... give us your song ... have some dosh

Nice attempt to side step the limits of right to self determination.

And please dont roll out the trite mind numbing mantra of "right to exist".

If a male has a fixed belief that he is female is this factual or a delusion?

If a male has a fixed belief that he can enter what should be a female only single sex space and that it remains a female only single sex space is this factual or a delusion?

Individuals can self determinate as much as thet choose within their own self.

What they can not do and should not be allowed to do is force other ignore their own right to self determination to boster the individuals demand that her/his self image is factual.

As per above the male with a fixed belief that he can enter what should be a female only single sex space and that it remains a female only single sex space is asking for special treatment by asking to be allowed to remain and by asking that society continues to lable it as a female only single sex space.

Again

People who live in any social structure can self determination as much as they please.

She as far as I am aware has never objected to that.

Can you point out where she¹ has done so?

(¹And by she I dont mean a third party said she said .... )

I accept that some men make unacceptable demands, they'll have to accept "no".

It seems to be, for some people. The ones who expect respect to only go one direction.

Did you read my comments?

There is no right to self determination if it affects others. There is a balancing of rights between different interest groups when that occurs.

@Gretel346 "Acceptance" is not a synonym of "obedience to male demands". HTH.

And how has she done that?

Again, post the evidence.

So, I wasn’t wrong. You have relied on someone else’s interpretation of what she said.

And I know numerous female teenagers who declared transgender identities for the reasons that JK Rowling suggested. Some of which have referrals to gender clinics. Yet you have posted one person’s interpretation of who is and isn’t transgender.

I stand by my posts. You don’t seem to know much about what she has said but seem very quick to demonise her.

Okay: The Harry Potter books are NOT only about tolerance, they are about love, first and foremost, and about standing up to things you absolutely know are wrong and harmful.

Like demonising & dehumanising trans people?

Saying trans people aren't delusional & have a right to self determination isn't a licence for 'special treatment'. How society organises itself depends on utility not a right to exist.

You appear to have misunderstood my comment about JK Rowling's support for transphobic statements which was in reference to specific statements by others such as Magdalen Berns & Maya Forstater.

In any case, JKR's understanding of how trans people identify as trans purely as a stereotypical delusion that's a danger to society rather than a rational conclusion is supported by her own words in this very thoughtful piece:

"In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”

Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives."

https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

Okay: The Harry Potter books are NOT only about tolerance, they are about love, first and foremost, and about standing up to things you absolutely know are wrong and harmful.

Actually, they are about the opposite of blind "tolerance": resistance. Blind, cozy "tolerance" is Minister Fudge, twirling his hat. Blind tolerance towards men's and their handmaiden's non-stop FUCKING WAFFLING about what is essentially a mosaic of some classic male porn fetishes over the female body has now led to the society of the 21st century happily sterilising and castrating physically healthy young people. That is mostly young guys infected with fetish-rot and young females who want to escape. You know it's true.

Also, I'm sorry, but the term Tolerance has become so so 🤮 lately, it has been weaponised against all women, insecure children and true outcasts, that it's kind of foregone its original meaning. As has "being kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind" (pronounced in Sir Stephen Fry's most patronising, most PC, most BBC, most Oxford Union misogynistic slimer voice).

Think about it: If your body tolerated and incorporated all the shit that it comes into contact with daily, that would mean you have no immune system of your own, and you would be pushing daisies before long. Well, immaterial ideas can be shite and make people very ill, too, apparently. Pseudo-academic ideas are not harmless. Dismantle them. Don't just lie down and play dead in order to fit in.

(Lying down on the ground and appeasing, making endless concessions to "vulnerability" and "stunningness" and "bravery" also will never ever satisfy genuine maligne narcissists. Case in point being the ever-fawning Emma Watson who is allowing herself to be used as an influental pawn and she's still not enough for some. Did she learn to fawn and plead like that on set, or what? May she wake up; gently.)

Thanks. I know being an actual producer is a giant pain in the arse. According to my DS...

This is off topic, but I do love Gore Vidal when he's being bitchy.

"she has said these things ...."

Should be she 'supported' these things. In fact, I think that what I have found makes it look more like you cannot substantiate what you haves said yourself.

"JKR has liked/supported statements on X that call trans women 'men in dresses' 'delusional' 'dangerous' 'predators' so that kind of invalidates any notion that she accepts a personally subjective view on gender without their being some kind of perversion attached to their beliefs…ironically that she herself suffers from."

So.... she suffers from some kind of 'perversion' because of her beliefs ?... yet you have judged her from her 'likes' and what you consider 'support' ...

Ok.

@Gretel346 Here is one tweet about 'men in dresses' 21/12/2024

"I think a lot of women are now so battle weary and have taken so much abuse they have a visceral reaction to men in dresses they never used to have. For me, the key isn't so much 'everyone can be what they want', because, you know, some people want to be serial killers. I do believe in people having the freedom to dress and present themselves however they like in their private lives (I don't apologise for thinking it outrageous that any man should be allowed to wear fetish gear to teach kids, for example). However, a lot of people in positions of power are squeamish about acknowledging the very different motivations people may have for testing social boundaries around dress and presentation. Kink is the great unmentionable for many of those who're desperate to be seen as kind and tolerant and liberal, but until we're honest about it, some very dubious individuals will continue to exploit this movement, which is already harming LGB people, who're getting blowback for the actions of heterosexual men, and women and kids, especially the most vulnerable, continuing to be put in harm's way."

I searched for 'man in dress' to see if she directed this to anyone. No. But she did tweet this in 12/12/2025

"Please explain what differentiates a trans woman from 'a man in a dress and make up', because I've been playing close attention to trans activists for a decade now and the most common explanation I've been given is 'he says he's a woman, so play along or you're evil.'

Runner up explanations: A man is a trans woman if he's put in a lot of effort into looking like a woman. However, a man who's made no such effort is just as valid a trans woman as one who does. Trans women with beards and penises are completely valid.

The existence of men and women with differences of sexual development ('intersex' people) prove that a completely different group of people who don't have such disorders are trans if they say they are.

The true mark of who's a man or a woman isn't biological sex, but the untestable gender identity that resides in all human beings, whether or not they believe in it. At the same time, trans people must be given easy, automatic access to cross-sex hormones and surgeries so they can alter themselves to more closely resemble the opposite biological sex."

You have accused her of 'liking and supporting' statements that call male people with transgender identities 'men in dresses' 'delusional' 'dangerous' 'predators'.

Do you have proof? Or are you just firing off some vague accusation without engaging with what she has actually said and whether she 'supported' a direct statement or merely replied?

Another one for @Gretel346

'Dangerous'

There are many so I am not going to cut and paste. But I do recommend that you do the work yourself before making accusations that are very easy to prove false.

She used it to describe misogyny and ideology as 'dangerous'. She did call an ex-policeman who has been behind many reports of feminists and women's rights campaigners to the police and who posts abuse directly from many sock accounts 'a possibly dangerous man' in response to that man's threats against her family. (and yes, Watson identifies as a woman).

She has called mixed sex spaces 'dangerous', she pointed out that women are getting more 'dangerous' when she was referring to male people with transgender identities who have been caught committing crimes.

She made a comment about:

"This is totalitarian insanity. If you think small children should be punished for being able to recognise sex, you are a dangerous zealot who should be nowhere near kids or in any position of authority over them." 31/10/2025

Oh... here is a good example:

3/1/2025

"Right. So when I explicitly say 'that does't mean all trans women are dangerous', you hear 'the entire demographic is dangerous', do you?"

Oh... sorry... that says the OPPOSITE.

Here is another.

"No, possession of a penis doesn't make an individual person dangerous, but 98% of sex offenders are born with a penis and 88% of victims of sexual violence are born with a vulva, and those statistics don't change even when some of the penis-ed people claim to be women.'

She called Mermaids 'dangerous'. She pointed out false claims from Maugham and Good Law Project were 'dangerous'.

Oh.. here is another male person with a transgender identity she suggested was 'dangerous'. Barbie Kardashian. If you don't know who he is, feel free to look him up.

She suggested in 2024 that Willoughby was propagating 'dangerous' lies about how puberty blockers were 'totally harmless'. Do you agree Gretel?

So... Yes. She called two men who believe they are women 'dangerous'. One personally threatened her family and one was released from Irish prison after horrendously attacking women.

But of course, these searches are very quick and easy to do. If you have other sources of where she did what you have accused her of, please do link them up.

Indeed.
It will be interesting to see the way the celebs manage the harmful side of TRA.

I am mindful of the US NYC bloke who heroly knight-in-shining-armour style charged up Rapist Gender Hill.
After a 3/4 (?) day valiant twitter battle on The Right of a male rapist to be housed in a Womans prison had a Custer's Last Stand style multi-tweet claimed she had posted "allsorts" (and the kitchen sink) of horrid transphobic stuff only for another man (because he ignored any of them wiimn) to repost her single tweet which only used the word man.

🍿 I miss old twitter🫢

Here are the results from 'delusional':

22/05/2025

"I'm not obliged to pretend I believe in anybody else's God, I won't pretend to believe falsehoods and I don't owe delusional men validation. You support an ideology that reduces 'woman' to a set of stereotypes. I find that infinitely more offensive than calling a man, a man."

This is in response to a discussion about India Willoughby who has a very long history of being abusive directly to JK Rowling. I believe Willoughby even did a media stunt of reporting her to the police.

20/10/2024

"Please share the reams of proof you undoubtedly have that I want trans people to jump out of windows/send trans people messages telling them to kill themselves. Otherwise we might have to conclude you're completely delusional."

This is a reply to someone who has made an accusation about her and she has pointed out that they have imagined that she has said what they accused her of. (Sound familiar?)

10/10/2024

"The only reason you think sex-testing is discriminatory is that you think male athletes should be able to hide their sex when competing against women, and if you think a cheek swab, which is all that's required, is 'violent', you're too delusional to be allowed out on your own."

This is a reply to someone calling a cheek swab "highly discriminatory and violent practice in competitive sports".

18/10/2024

"I 100% know you aren't remotely narcissistic or delusional, and so does everyone who listens to you x "

this is saying that Kristoffer (who I believe is a male with a transgender identity) is NOT delusional.

31/08/2022

"They're exactly like the Loch Ness monster true believers who faked evidence of Nessie to prove they weren't delusional."

This one is referring to someone who posted a faked tweet saying it was something she posted to prove that she was a bigot and hateful.

Onto the next search....

You know @Gretel346 , perhaps you should have done these searches before you tried to say she has said these things ....

So, I have done a search on her timeline for the word ‘predator’, she has not called anyone a predator except for a convicted rapist. She discusses how it impossible to work out who is and isn’t a predatory male person for safeguarding reasons.

Do you agree it is impossible to tell which male person is a predator and which is not? Or do you have a way you can tell?

Do you believe that a convicted rapist is a predator?

You know there was a thread yesterday where two men were saying they were biological females because they took hormones and had extreme plastic surgery.

Not only is this grossly offensive to women, but it also shows up the magnitude of their lack of understanding of biology to the point that it cause them actual harm and cause others harm from their failure to acknowledge this and the delusional level of denial they have.

One of them was saying they had NEVER had a male experience of anything. And didn't really like it when pointed out this is absoluete crap as he'd grown up as a little boy even if this little boy wanted to be a girl. No little girl has ever peed through her willy. And no little boy has had to go through the process of starting periods.

There's issues about harm to medical staff, if they are giving false information and it leads to harm of the transwoman. There's issues with potential blood donation. There's issues if this transwoman decides to take part in a medical trial and doesn't disclose their sex.

It is not a neutral act. It has consequences. Even if the person is the nicest and most well meaning person out there.

And yes some of these men ARE utterly delussional and ARE harming women whether deliberately or unintentionally. This is not ok and should be discussed and we should be transparent about it. There is no excuse not to. It just allows harm to occur otherwise.

Ironically some of the people who need the most protection from this are transwomen themselves. Without recognition of their sex in law they have ZERO protection as transwomen as you can not define transwomen as transwomen without reference their sex. Otherwise any female could claim to be a transwoman...

"Men in dresses" Is just factual and not negative (btw Dumbledore is a man in a robe) . Why @Gretel346 do you put it in the same category as downright insulting "perverts"?

I can see that the thread has moved on, but with regard to John Lithgow I am disappointed that, at this point in the discussion, he felt the need to say anything at all. To do so was entirely unnecessary and (in my personal opinion) we are now moving into a time period when people who speak out against her in this way risk making themselves look stupid.

What’s the old saying? Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. The first detransitioner medical negligence case has landed, Emma Watson has dipped her toe into a failed decelerating ferret and things on the US front are a good deal less certain than they used to be. That said, I guess Lithgow probably has many close acquaintances who are in the Helen Joyce, committed transhausen parent zone, so maybe he wanted to ease the pressure a bit. It’s just boring though, at this stage.

You don't get to 'determine' your sex though. This is the problem!

You can never change sex.

You can choose to live your life differently, take drugs and have extreme body modification. But ultimately you remain the same sex and this has implications to lots and lots of people whether you like it or not

We don't get to choose any of the circumstances of our birth. We just have to get the fuck on with it.

We can't make anyone else believe something they just don't. Nor should we try to force them.