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John Lithgow on JK Rowling

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QAOPspaceman · 02/02/2026 09:31

basically admits he hasn’t bothered thinking about her position on gender identity. The Harry Potter books are about tolerance so her stance is ‘inexplicable’, yet he’s never met her and only ‘read about her views’.
Read her for yourself pal! Do your own fucking thinking!

www.theguardian.com/books/2026/feb/02/john-lithgow-says-he-finds-jk-rowlings-stance-on-trans-rights-ironic-and-inexplicable?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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lcakethereforeIam · 09/02/2026 22:30

Something Lithgow has in common with Olivia Colman, neither of them are gay men.

HildegardP · 09/02/2026 22:30

Bedheadbeachbum · 09/02/2026 22:24

So you seem to have a bad handle on logic! I don't know where to begin with this.

There were more coherent chatbots in the 90s than whatever's composing G's posts.

HildegardP · 09/02/2026 22:27

Gretel346 · 09/02/2026 21:30

So by this logic anyone Geoffrey Epstein, Trump or Putin gave a high profile role to should swallow their integrity?

Again, you utterly fail in logic & yet laughably attempt to pray it in aid.

Bedheadbeachbum · 09/02/2026 22:24

Gretel346 · 09/02/2026 21:30

So by this logic anyone Geoffrey Epstein, Trump or Putin gave a high profile role to should swallow their integrity?

So you seem to have a bad handle on logic! I don't know where to begin with this.

Bertiebiscuit · 09/02/2026 22:18

Pathetic, really pathetic. Is that all you've got?? Jog on

HildegardP · 09/02/2026 22:16

Bedheadbeachbum · 09/02/2026 21:19

I hate that people like Lithgow are all too happy to accept high profile roles which wouldn't have existed without JKR then trash her at the first opportunity.

I mean, that look doesn't work out well for anyone, look at Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe etc and yet these self important, cosseted luvvies never catch on.

At least sidestep the issue.

TBF to Lithgow, in his original comments after landing the Potter role he did try to sidestep. Presumably because the film he's promoting ATM is about a daft kid who imagines they're neither male nor female, it's harder for him to avoid the issue so off he blunders into this nonsense.

AnSolas · 09/02/2026 22:12

Gretel346 · 09/02/2026 21:30

So by this logic anyone Geoffrey Epstein, Trump or Putin gave a high profile role to should swallow their integrity?

If John Lithgow took the money
(from your example of "bad people")
from the "bad people" and
• he keeps on planning to take the money from the "bad people" and
• this is after he was told by others that they are "bad people" and
• he agrees that these are "bad people"
● exactly what integrity has John Lithgow left to swallow?

Gretel346 · 09/02/2026 21:30

Bedheadbeachbum · 09/02/2026 21:19

I hate that people like Lithgow are all too happy to accept high profile roles which wouldn't have existed without JKR then trash her at the first opportunity.

I mean, that look doesn't work out well for anyone, look at Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe etc and yet these self important, cosseted luvvies never catch on.

At least sidestep the issue.

So by this logic anyone Geoffrey Epstein, Trump or Putin gave a high profile role to should swallow their integrity?

Bedheadbeachbum · 09/02/2026 21:19

I hate that people like Lithgow are all too happy to accept high profile roles which wouldn't have existed without JKR then trash her at the first opportunity.

I mean, that look doesn't work out well for anyone, look at Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe etc and yet these self important, cosseted luvvies never catch on.

At least sidestep the issue.

lcakethereforeIam · 09/02/2026 21:11

Yes. Thank you 😊

lcakethereforeIam · 09/02/2026 20:18

An article in the Telegraph

Non-binary film star ‘hurt’ by John Lithgow’s Harry Potter role https://share.google/GB1zt6PHKvN5DGu31

I'm having problems archiving their articles. I just get a 'page not found'. Was able to read this though when it popped up in a Google news round up.

It's a summary of the poor little nepotism babe's hurty feels. She's the daughter of the woman who's directing it. I'm sure that had nothing to do with her getting the role. The article also covers Lithgow speaking out of his arse both sides of his face and Olivia Colman's witterings.

I feel the true victim here is the journalist who had to write about this fuckwittery.

HildegardP · 09/02/2026 17:55

Gretel346 · 07/02/2026 22:17

To be fair, I take back the 'not acting in good faith' accusation because a flawed belief isn't necessarily a dishonest one particularly when one tell the difference between fact & opinion or typical & stereotypical behaviour.

That males & females have typical behaviours is a fact to be distinguished from stereotypical behaviours/social expectations aka "sexist nonsense".

Fail.
You have already amply demonstrated that you lack the intelligence & comprehension skills to essay "patronising" as a tactic.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2026 07:34

JellySaurus · 08/02/2026 07:18

It is entirely irrelevant whether a man’s fixed belief that he is a woman is factual or delusional. He is not entitled to impose his belief upon others.

A Muslim employee’s fixed belief that eating pork is an abomination and that he must pray 5 times a day does not mean that the staff canteen must be pork-free and that all staff must stop work and pray his prayers. It means that the canteen should provide a vegetarian option and he should have the opportunity and an appropriate space to say his prayers.

Genderist beliefs are no different. When they are beliefs. How would you differentiate between belief, kink (AGP), and mental illness (dysphoria/dysmorphia)? Would you expect them all to be treated the same? Or do you just want women to Be Kind and submit?

Really good point. I no more share that belief than this one and I won’t be compelled to pay obeisance to either.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2026 07:30

Igneococcus · 08/02/2026 07:03

I have given up hope we will ever get to see that list that we have been promised many times before, too many false springs. You'd think someone had it all written up to bring it out whenever asked for.

You would, wouldn’t you.

JellySaurus · 08/02/2026 07:18

It is entirely irrelevant whether a man’s fixed belief that he is a woman is factual or delusional. He is not entitled to impose his belief upon others.

A Muslim employee’s fixed belief that eating pork is an abomination and that he must pray 5 times a day does not mean that the staff canteen must be pork-free and that all staff must stop work and pray his prayers. It means that the canteen should provide a vegetarian option and he should have the opportunity and an appropriate space to say his prayers.

Genderist beliefs are no different. When they are beliefs. How would you differentiate between belief, kink (AGP), and mental illness (dysphoria/dysmorphia)? Would you expect them all to be treated the same? Or do you just want women to Be Kind and submit?

Igneococcus · 08/02/2026 07:03

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2026 01:37

Could you provide a list of these “typical behaviours which distinguish gender” please?

Edited

I have given up hope we will ever get to see that list that we have been promised many times before, too many false springs. You'd think someone had it all written up to bring it out whenever asked for.

EmmyFr · 08/02/2026 06:36

@Gretel346 can you name ANY other characteristic opening up legal and workplace rights that is "subjective" ?

(Spoiler: you cannot. Legal definitions cannot be subjective or they instantly become dysfunctional. If I commit a crime, I can't claim that I feel under 18 and my subjective year of birth is 2009 to receive a lighter sentence when I'm really 37)

Abhannmor · 08/02/2026 06:19

IloveOwlsandPenguins · 07/02/2026 16:37

I LOVE JK Rowling . Love , love, love -edy LOVE her .

She has absolutely epitomised the values she set down in Harry Potter .

She is a shining beacon of brave , kind , funny sanity standing firm in a sea of unintelligent , spineless , misogynistic celebrities sploshing about her with their patronising , silly opinions.
Pretty hard to choose the dopiest amongst the particularly smug batch of old fools who’ve popped up to scold her but John Lithgow seems to be having a good try to wrest the numpty crown from Stephen Fry who took it from Billy Bragg .

It has been so very disappointing to see how many other people were only paying lip service to women’s rights and safety until they got an opportunity to go rogue …

What a good post. It would make a splendid editorial in the Guardian.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2026 01:37

Could you provide a list of these “typical behaviours which distinguish gender” please?

Gretel346 · 07/02/2026 22:22

SinnerBoy · 07/02/2026 14:44

Gretel

If a male has a fixed belief that he is female is this factual or a delusion?

Neither. It's a subjective opinion which is the point JKR & you are missing because of the false belief that the gendered concepts of 'man' & 'woman' are only based on reproductive characteristics. Human concepts are simply human interpretations of phenomena that vary from individual to individual.

Top of the range poppycock. Men are men and women are women, it's irrefutable fact, biomedical fact. There's nothing at all subjective about the nature of sex. A man may vary from other men, by being born a penis, but he's still a man.

Its quite simply untrue to claim that this is subjective. It's observable and verifiable.
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"Its quite simply untrue to claim that this is subjective. It's observable and verifiable."

So are typical behaviours which distinguish gender. What's subjective is what metric out of the two (reproductive or behavioural characteristics) an individual decides distinguish women from men.

Gretel346 · 07/02/2026 22:17

IloveOwlsandPenguins · 07/02/2026 16:58

I’m acting in good faith because I care about the rights of women and girls to have full participation in public life . There is no definition of ‘gender ‘ that isn’t sexist nonsense and there won’t be a woman on this board who hasn’t been sexually harassed by men , however they identify .
We are reclaiming the rights and spaces are foremothers fought so hard for .

To be fair, I take back the 'not acting in good faith' accusation because a flawed belief isn't necessarily a dishonest one particularly when one tell the difference between fact & opinion or typical & stereotypical behaviour.

That males & females have typical behaviours is a fact to be distinguished from stereotypical behaviours/social expectations aka "sexist nonsense".

JanesLittleGirl · 07/02/2026 21:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/02/2026 16:16

Plenty of men are born a penis 😂

TBF, plenty of people are either born or become dicks. It isn't restricted to your sex.

AnSolas · 07/02/2026 18:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/02/2026 16:16

Plenty of men are born a penis 😂

💥

@SinnerBoy what @Ereshkigalangcleg said 🤣🤣

IloveOwlsandPenguins · 07/02/2026 16:58

Gretel346 · 05/02/2026 04:49

This argument falls apart by virtue of the fact that the validity of a category doesn't automatically entitle it to the same treatment. Minors having the same right to exist as adults doesn't mean they are entitled to be treated the same because utility is the barometer.

Another example would be women's sports excluding trans women because of a sporting advantage that sporting organisations by & large have adjusted to.

And it kind of betrays the credibility of the gender critical movement that some have taken the position of denying the validity of trans people purely because they believe there will be policy & law implications. Zealots aren't people that are known to act in good faith & for the public good.

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I’m acting in good faith because I care about the rights of women and girls to have full participation in public life . There is no definition of ‘gender ‘ that isn’t sexist nonsense and there won’t be a woman on this board who hasn’t been sexually harassed by men , however they identify .
We are reclaiming the rights and spaces are foremothers fought so hard for .