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Baroness Chakrabarti in the HoL - biological sex and police data

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ItsCoolForCats · 28/01/2026 09:33

Here is a clip of Baroness Chakrabarti speaking in the House of Lords about the impossibility of police being able to establish someone's biological sex because it would be too intrusive. She doesn't seem to consider that the best way to solve this problem is not to allow people to change their official records in the first place.

She makes a passing reference to VAWG but doesn't really seem to consider the impact on women and girls. She is more concerned about people who she says have "changed sex". She also said she has read some concerning things about women with mastectomies being challenged in changing rooms, suggesting this is happening up and down the country, rather than being a suspiciously-timed allegation from Jolyon Maugham's wife.

I know people have lost their minds over this issue, but it still floors me how intelligent women can come out with this stuff. Have she ever stopped to think critically about any of this? Or are people so ensconced in their echo chambers that that they are no longer able to do this?

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Today Lords debated accurate reporting of sex in police data and Lady Chakrabarti inadvertently argued the case against falsification of sex on official documents. It should not be difficult or complicated, and is important, to know the sex of suspects...

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nauticant · 29/01/2026 14:01

I heard Whittome being interviewed about a political issue she favours the other day, I forget what is was, and when she was asked an obvious critical question about her position, she flailed around for an answer giving the impression that although she strongly held to it, she'd never spent any time examining it.

1984Now · 29/01/2026 13:58

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/01/2026 13:38

Nadia Whittome?

One can only wish.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/01/2026 13:38

Nadia Whittome?

1984Now · 29/01/2026 12:06

Needmoresleep · 29/01/2026 11:54

Genuine question....what has she done? Yes she headed Liberty, but did it achieve much during her tenure.

She has always struck me as more of a Baroness Hunt, willing to make the right noises to the right people, than a Baroness Falkner.

I often bump into Patricia Hewitt at local music events. When Blair was changing the country, she was very prominent and even I as a Tory had to be quite impressed with her track record. Chakrabarti was in the same mould. Harriet Harman as well.
Of course since, seeing the fallout of the GRA which I'm sure these three were key to getting in the statute book, and then the Big Kahuna, hearing how Harman was instrumental in pressure to tone police political correctness around PIE, has all gone onto me making a 180 on how I once admitted these women for selfless social justice legal activism in boosting the rights of women in the UK.
Who is the "next generation" of Chakrabarti Harman Hewitt who will keep pushing the TRA agenda?

Needmoresleep · 29/01/2026 11:54

explanationplease · 29/01/2026 11:17

I like and respect her. She’s done more for women’s rights than most of us.

Genuine question....what has she done? Yes she headed Liberty, but did it achieve much during her tenure.

She has always struck me as more of a Baroness Hunt, willing to make the right noises to the right people, than a Baroness Falkner.

1984Now · 29/01/2026 11:25

explanationplease · 29/01/2026 11:17

I like and respect her. She’s done more for women’s rights than most of us.

I sure she has, which makes the tragedy of her burning social capital and reputation on the biggest lie currently permeating the West all the more striking

explanationplease · 29/01/2026 11:17

I like and respect her. She’s done more for women’s rights than most of us.

1984Now · 29/01/2026 11:10

Sausagenbacon · 29/01/2026 10:55

Sorry, but I just can't stand her. If I ever heard her saying something that didn't benefit her clique of bien pensants I'd drop dead with shock.

Does she truly believe she can't be sure whether she's a woman, having to rely on a lanyard?
I mean, the Lanyard Class has become the new catchphrase (snappier than Professional Managerial Classes), but this is nuts...a Lanyard Class Elite looking at her lanyard to check her sex!

Sausagenbacon · 29/01/2026 10:55

Sorry, but I just can't stand her. If I ever heard her saying something that didn't benefit her clique of bien pensants I'd drop dead with shock.

1984Now · 29/01/2026 10:22

ItsCoolForCats · 28/01/2026 09:33

Here is a clip of Baroness Chakrabarti speaking in the House of Lords about the impossibility of police being able to establish someone's biological sex because it would be too intrusive. She doesn't seem to consider that the best way to solve this problem is not to allow people to change their official records in the first place.

She makes a passing reference to VAWG but doesn't really seem to consider the impact on women and girls. She is more concerned about people who she says have "changed sex". She also said she has read some concerning things about women with mastectomies being challenged in changing rooms, suggesting this is happening up and down the country, rather than being a suspiciously-timed allegation from Jolyon Maugham's wife.

I know people have lost their minds over this issue, but it still floors me how intelligent women can come out with this stuff. Have she ever stopped to think critically about any of this? Or are people so ensconced in their echo chambers that that they are no longer able to do this?

https://x.com/i/status/2016209187919819168

For a person promoting one of the most aggressive cancelling cults of all time, Chakrabarti always cuts a strange figure.
Watching her here, a total humour free zone, trying to make a joke and falling totally flat
"Oh, my lanyard says Baroness, so, I guess I might be IDd as female, I don't know.."
Literally shrinking into herself as she says guff that is so far removed from anything that a vaguely intelligent, vaguely adult person would have said or believed just a couple of decades ago.
Her performance here is almost the ultimate expression of this cult belief/self appointed cultural caste. Forget the heat and anger of performative TRAs, it's the quiet intellectual ones, the ones who've been embedded in polite society for decades, those that have acted to get legal structures like the GRA into law, that police the moral tone on the IDentarian technocratic left.
Her, Harriet Harman, Lord Hermer, Sir Keir himself.
And so to watch Chakrabarti, her whole adult life as a female, female barrister, head of the major civil rights organisation, mover and shaker in the Lords, shrug her shoulders and shrink into her seat, and say "well, I guess I'm a woman, that's what my lanyard suggests", and this empty feeling washes over you.

1984Now · 29/01/2026 00:32

Ah, too intrusive to ascertain sex, but not too intrusive to allow a TiM police officer, nurse or prison guard to perform an intimate inspection on a woman, with the added cherry on cake being that the woman is transphobic if she argues, effectively that would be too intrusive on the TiM.
It's like the toxic partner to the SCOTUS Title IX hearings answer to the Q "what is a male or female?" being "well we don't really know".
No, we don't know, and we can't possibly work it out. Yes, really. That's what these planet sized brains think we should all accept like rabbits or drones.
And this is what a woman of Chakrabarti's age and experience of the law brings to the table...we don't know, we don't know how to know, and that's how it's gonna be.
She is the very definition of the theory that the most intelligent people are very often the ones with the most inflexible mindsets and the most overconfident of the veracity of their "truth".
Way more than "normies".
What a time to be alive!

EdithStourton · 28/01/2026 22:08

Sh struck me as someone who managed to sound clever and say the 'right' things without indulging in too much independent thought. Independent thought can be dangerous, as it leads heaven-knows-where.

FigRollsAlly · 28/01/2026 21:10

endofthelinefinally · 28/01/2026 09:38

I have completely lost respect for her. Only massively over privileged people are unable to see what a misogynistic ideology this is.

Me too. I used to think she was an eloquent, sincere defender of rights but it turns out that it was all show.

Imnobody4 · 28/01/2026 20:56

Compare and contrast.
Conservative Peer, Baroness Cash, tables amendment to Crime & Policing Bill to require police forces to accurately record sex. Outstanding speech, unarguable logic: 'Sex is a foundational principle in crime ... If data is unstable at point of entry, everything downstream is compromised' 1/

https://x.com/i/status/2016478799597093108

Conservatives for Women (@CforWomenUK) on X

Conservative Peer, Baroness Cash, tables amendment to Crime & Policing Bill to require police forces to accurately record *sex*. Outstanding speech, unarguable logic: 'Sex is a foundational principle in crime ... If data is unstable at point of en...

https://x.com/i/status/2016478799597093108

KittyWilkinson · 28/01/2026 20:37

Apparently, as a student, she had noticed one wheelchair- using fellow student was excluded and unable to access most aspects of the university, simply because the campus was designed without any thought for disability access. So she began to think equalities should be included in law

Wiki says that she graduated in Law from LSE in 1994. So did she go through her degree without realising that: the Sex Discrimination Act 1975, Race Relations Act 1968, Equal Pay Act 1970, Sex Discrimination Act 1975 already existed?

The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 came in the year after she graduated, I remember the excitement of the first case through court. No thanks to her. Whatsoever. She wasn't even on the sidelines of it all. So that's a load of virtue signalling crap..

logiccalls · 28/01/2026 20:04

KittyWilkinson · 28/01/2026 11:54

Met her back in the Liberty days. Decades of cultivating people and living in a certain bubble results in saying what her bubble wants her to say. She's done very well for herself. Can't really see what's she's done for women and girls.

She did great harm to equality, by making one equality more equal than others. Apparently, as a student, she had noticed one wheelchair- using fellow student was excluded and unable to access most aspects of the university, simply because the campus was designed without any thought for disability access. So she began to think equalities should be included in law.

But she herself wasn't a wheelchair user, so, why should she care about disability discrimination? So, to hell with them.

Now, what equality could she benefit from personally, campaign about, and make a tidy fortune out of? Skin colour was pursued to the exclusion of all else, to the point she has a place in the Lords, and Keir Starmer drops to his knees at the sight of black footballers.

And, 'equality' has a bad name, distorted as it is; Ageism is, virtually, government policy, and widely accepted by the public. There is no space on record keeping crime forms, for reporting rape of older women. The organisation previously called Action Against Elder Abuse (now name-changed to Hourglass) commissioned a Rowntree survey and discovered that a large element among the general public don't think it is a crime to steal from or beat old people. Nobody will catch Keir or anyone else taking the knee in respect for old people, will they?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2026 19:22

Remember the time she said people who didn’t welcome “trans women” as “refugees” (to womanhood, presumably) should take care they don’t “die in a fire”, echoing TRA rhetoric and threats. She’s vile.

SirChenjins · 28/01/2026 17:53

Agree @Needmoresleep - and that privilege means she'll never find herself in the position that many vulnerable women are, and won't , for example, find herself sharing a prison with a man. It's very easy to #BeKind from a place of safety and security.

Needmoresleep · 28/01/2026 15:50

Our kids overlapped at (private) primary school. She had a bit of a reputation of being one of "those" parents.

I don't really get it. Gove and Cameron seemed to have no problem using nearby state schools, whereas she was not the only left leaning politician who didn't. As if they disapprove of private schools as a bastion of privilege, but still want the best for their own children.

We all make choices, but it then becomes difficult if a politician tries to assume a moral high ground.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 28/01/2026 15:44

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sashaymashay · 28/01/2026 15:40

Pingponghavoc · 28/01/2026 15:16

If there were a venn diagram of what it takes to be a respectable TRA, she'd be in the centre. Her education, career, where she lives, who she's friends with, nothing doesnt say 'trans rights'.

Totally a position of privilege. Not a jot of understanding that when humans lose body parts they don’t remotely look like the opposite sex.

I suppose she'd also argue against registering sex on arrest because an overweight man with moobs could be mistaken for not being a man any more.

I really hope one day she considers what a fool she was by parroting sentences from a 16 year old TRA from Reddit.

OMG what if a woman has short hair or alopecia, how on earth could we tell what sex they are? Biggest eye roll ever.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 28/01/2026 15:35

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Pingponghavoc · 28/01/2026 15:16

If there were a venn diagram of what it takes to be a respectable TRA, she'd be in the centre. Her education, career, where she lives, who she's friends with, nothing doesnt say 'trans rights'.

Missproportionate · 28/01/2026 14:47

ItsCoolForCats · 28/01/2026 09:33

Here is a clip of Baroness Chakrabarti speaking in the House of Lords about the impossibility of police being able to establish someone's biological sex because it would be too intrusive. She doesn't seem to consider that the best way to solve this problem is not to allow people to change their official records in the first place.

She makes a passing reference to VAWG but doesn't really seem to consider the impact on women and girls. She is more concerned about people who she says have "changed sex". She also said she has read some concerning things about women with mastectomies being challenged in changing rooms, suggesting this is happening up and down the country, rather than being a suspiciously-timed allegation from Jolyon Maugham's wife.

I know people have lost their minds over this issue, but it still floors me how intelligent women can come out with this stuff. Have she ever stopped to think critically about any of this? Or are people so ensconced in their echo chambers that that they are no longer able to do this?

https://x.com/i/status/2016209187919819168

She's a friend of Mrs Maugham