The Countess - Womens rights group in Ireland - Report on Immigration Effects on Women & Girls

You didn't answer my question about the refuges/hostels.

So you have no issues, and don't care that other women might feel uncomfortable or be unable to access the changing rooms for religious reasons, past trauma etc,, if there is a naked person with a penis sharing the showers, changing areas, etc?

I don't think things should be censored, but I don't think it's okay to use data of crimes in any country as a way to tar every individual who comes from there. You are also a massive hypocrite.

We're talking about sheer numbers. Tbh, if 40k Canadians annually got off illegally on a Dover beach, I'd be concerned. But we know that 40k Canadians annually are not the issue, 40k Afghans are etc. We know... because of the data.
Forget about follow the money. Follow the data.
Now, if Canadians en masse lived in a rapey culture, I'd be worried if 40k came here annually.
Brazilians? Again if 40k came annually and illegally, I suspect the data on homicides in Brazil would become relevant.
So, back in the day, when 40k Afghans Iraqis Eritreans, let alone 40k Brazilians, let's alone 40k Canadians, didn't come annually, the phenomenon of importing cultural practices inimical to British culture just wasn't an unmanageable problem.
Ditto men in women's spaces. Just 15 years ago, society dud not wave men into women's spaces, and now they do, with all the attendant issues.

Yes, gyms and toilets.

But you are asserting that people here are saying that “all middle eastern men are rapists” when what is actually being said is “ Middle Eastern men are more likely to be rapists.”

I asked if you understood the difference, and wondered why you are misrepresenting people’s positions. I just assumed probability is too difficult a concept for you.

Brazil has high crime rates for violence and murder depending on region. Why is murder less important to you than rape specifically? And why do you think it's okay to police people based on respect? That is what thought policing is. The UK is full of people who aren't respectful and promote evil, dangerous things. But you would still deport people purely based on where they come from? You're not at all reasonable to promote authoritarianism where people are treated different based on where they came from, and not what they actually do.

Yes, and I stand by that it's not okay to dictate where people can or can't go because they happen to be from a country with high crime. Many countries do. We'll just tell all of them where they can or can't go, right? No more Brazilians too, there's a lot o crime there.

But you wouldn't even want the data to be collected, let alone published.
I'm a reasonable man, I'm happy to meet half way. For every Brazilian who at most might snatch my mobile phone or steal my car, I'll bar entry other than for the most vigorous of vetting and ability to instantly deport, Afghans, Iraqis and Eritreans, who are more likely to sexually assault or rape my wife or daughter, any female citizen, and also me (since you seem to believe I have no interest in homosexual rape).
I'm very reluctant to admit large numbers of people from nations where the culture is rapey, and the respect for women and children would shame pre-Middle Ages Britain.

Human nature is constant IMO 😬

its the culture which develops to justify the shit men want.

Thats why the support set up for women and children escaping the Russian invasion did not result in targeted protests.

Yep, I think that is where we are. I'm not engaging further with our feathered friend

You still haven't told me why you believe it's ok to house males in female hostels/refuges but not in female prisons, particularly as women prisoners are more protected due to the levels of supervision.

What do you mean by changing rooms? Are you referring to places with showers in gyms etc? Your use of american terminology is also a bit odd. Unless you are american obviously.

But you wouldn't even want the data to be collected, let alone published.
I'm a reasonable man, I'm happy to meet half way. For every Brazilian who at most might snatch my mobile phone or steal my car, I'll bar entry other than for the most vigorous of vetting and ability to instantly deport, Afghans, Iraqis and Eritreans, who are more likely to sexually assault or rape my wife or daughter, any female citizen, and also me (since you seem to believe I have no interest in homosexual rape).
I'm very reluctant to admit large numbers of people from nations where the culture is rapey, and the respect for women and children would shame pre-Middle Ages Britain.

There's nothing wrong with men and women in the same restrooms or changing rooms. It's been existing longer than segregated restrooms. Kids also run away crying from deformed/disabled people

I think "I don't care about sport anyway" needs to be added to the bingo card

and yes pigeon chess springs to mind

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If someone comes from a country with a lot of crime, it's not okay to assume they're a criminal. Brazil has a lot of crime. Can we ban Brazilians?

Gotta love people who think that human nature is some universal constant. That Afghan men wouldn't sexually offend if only the pesky Taliban weren't in charge.
Or that Iraqi men wouldn't want 9 year old child brides if only their govt didn't just pass that law.
Hell, English society was already more liberal and advanced in the 9th century AD than Afghanistan and Iraq are in the 21st.

I mean, I have no interest in the Women's Institute, but I still care if TIMs access unreasonably.
I don't really watch women's sport, but I really care if TIMs take medals and opportunities from women.
I used to pay scant regard to the women's changing rooms at Primark, but am angry if I hear a young girl ran out tearful because....well, you know.
And I didn't pay a lot of attention to the rape data from Afghanistan or numbers of Iraqi men marrying 9 year old girls, because we used to not allow significant numbers into the UK, but now...

Yes, that wasn't in dispute? What's in dispute is you and other people arguing you can assume that people are criminals based on where they come from, and nothing more than that. Who are you to police where people go purely based on generalizations on where they come from? Are you perhaps mentally challenged?

Yes, that wasn't in dispute? What's in dispute is you and other people arguing you can assume that people are criminals based on where they come from, and nothing more than that. Who are you to police where people go purely based on generalizations on where they come from? Are you perhaps mentally challenged?

THE FAMILY
ARTICLE 41

2 1° In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.
2° The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.

Please upload the section which gives men the same protection

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en/html#article41

I think "I don't care about sport anyway" needs to be added to the bingo card

and yes pigeon chess springs to mind

What part of you understanding I'm not arguing against race, but nationality.
Like, Canadians are a secular/Christian country, if data showed their men offending 20x more than Brits, then I'm gonna have an issue with this...not secular/Christians generally.
Try and read my argument, not criticise me on false pretences.

Penis or vagina, generally. With the exception of intersex people.

I think "I don't care about sport anyway" needs to be added to the bingo card

and yes pigeon chess springs to mind