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Reasons for not moving right like young men

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Warmlight1 · 23/01/2026 21:21

Are women put off the right because of outright boorishness and right wing female Mps who are promoted withing a very constrained patriarchy and consequently end up not making sense? Is it also to do with the ingressing on women's right by the ultra religious?
Are public services more important to women than men? Was specifically female leadership significant in New Zealand during the pandemic and ultimately safer and was that about gender?
Or something else?
Brexit?
Why is there a difference of direction?

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Sausagenbacon · 24/01/2026 23:06

The birth rate in the UK stands at 1.4 & needs to be 2.2 to maintain replacement without immigrants. It doesn't take many brain cells to work out what this means for women.
really? In your head, maybe.

TempestTost · 24/01/2026 23:04

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:25

Reform is predominantly built on anti immigration particularly of 'brown people'. That Farage has black 'friends' doesn't change that.

Did you miss the "hugely popular among Reform supporters" bit.

I really think that there is an issue with many people on the left simply accepting as fundamental the idea that anyone the have been told is right wing or whatever is therefore hating anyone who isn't a white British born person. And somehow are unable to comprehend what their real beefs are at all.

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:55

1984Now · 24/01/2026 22:49

The "new right" are vocal online beyond their actual significance. Homeland Party, Advance UK, Tommy Robinson are extremely noisy and frothy but remain totally fringe.
There's absolutely zero chance these chumps would amount to anything.
And Farage is effectively a civic nationalist that is channeling the majority centre right energy in this country.
The Woke Right/very online right are just static.
GLP? You are joking mentioning them as any reliable reference?

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Farage has been demonising immigrants for years & the GLP link links his statements.

The birth rate in the UK stands at 1.4 & needs to be 2.2 to maintain replacement without immigrants. It doesn't take many brain cells to work out what this means for women.

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:51

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 22:35

I notice you don't want to answer my question. I will draw my own conclusions from that.

That the labour party support rape culture? How so?

TempestTost · 24/01/2026 22:51

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/01/2026 10:39

Didn't she also typify that 'be kind', wet type of politics, which some might see as overly feminised?

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NZ citizens who were outside the country during covid were refused right of reentry because they were afraid they'd bring the virus in.

Making your citizens effectivly stateless and denying the most fundamental right of citizens doesn't seem all that kind to me. Though some say purity spirals are more typical of women's behaviour and I suppose that is a kind of purity issue.

1984Now · 24/01/2026 22:49

The "new right" are vocal online beyond their actual significance. Homeland Party, Advance UK, Tommy Robinson are extremely noisy and frothy but remain totally fringe.
There's absolutely zero chance these chumps would amount to anything.
And Farage is effectively a civic nationalist that is channeling the majority centre right energy in this country.
The Woke Right/very online right are just static.
GLP? You are joking mentioning them as any reliable reference?

Warmlight1 · 24/01/2026 22:35

1984Now · 24/01/2026 22:07

Ah, so that's the choice for women, trans activist egress and the diluting of their rights and language, or the alt right pivoting to some sort of racist Christian ethno nationalism tieing them to husbands and kitchen sinks?
Do you understand how nuts you sound in effectively saying only the left can save women and that means trans ideology becoming mainstream.

Well this is where it all gets a bit theoretical and it's helpful to think about specifics:
Women of colour are more likely to have complications and suffer fatalities in childbirth. Thats a real thing. People who try and understand and address this could easily be labeled ' woke lefties' because of the conversations they need to have and the resources they need to pull in. No doubt Reform would find targeting black women's healthcare offensive. So which party is most likely to make that difference?
Modern constraints on women are a little more mundane than ' tying them to their husbands'
In fact it's caring responsibilities, cross generational child care - working two jobs as a norm to support a family. Deteriorating health services and the education struggle especially SEND. Adult social care being depleated.
The emphasis on trans issues- I'd see that as a political distraction to be honest, albeit trans people need to be treated properly, because much as the government can only change so much at a time, there's no real plan for any of these other things from the right.
If we got reform or some sort of reform conservative coalition, you can bet that they'd whip out care packages like crazy and shut down send education and public services left right and centre. False economy of course. The problems just get more expensive if you do not meet need. In terms of criminal justice We would end up.with even less women being believed because it costs, and the death penalty as a ' solution'.
The right is a threat but it's not just to women and a bit more than being tied to the kitchen sink.

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SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 22:35

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:31

Are you seriously denying Reform is anti immigrant & spreads demonising rhetoric about brown immigrants?

I notice you don't want to answer my question. I will draw my own conclusions from that.

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:31

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 22:29

Damn those Islamophobic Muslims like Zia Yusuf and Laila Cunningham and Nadhim Zahawi...

Hilariously enough, Ben Habib's Advance UK, set up to oppose Reform as being too centrist, is literally led by a Pakistani immigrant.

"White nationalism" is really not a thing in UK politics. The Labour Party and trade union movement subcontracting out their "anti-racist" work to the SWP, in full knowledge of the SWP's long-term rape culture, is a thing. Do you have an issue with that?

Are you seriously denying Reform is anti immigrant & spreads demonising rhetoric about brown immigrants?

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 22:29

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:25

Reform is predominantly built on anti immigration particularly of 'brown people'. That Farage has black 'friends' doesn't change that.

Damn those Islamophobic Muslims like Zia Yusuf and Laila Cunningham and Nadhim Zahawi...

Hilariously enough, Ben Habib's Advance UK, set up to oppose Reform as being too centrist, is literally led by a Pakistani immigrant.

"White nationalism" is really not a thing in UK politics. The Labour Party and trade union movement subcontracting out their "anti-racist" work to the SWP, in full knowledge of the SWP's long-term rape culture, is a thing. Do you have an issue with that?

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:25

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 22:18

I don't know how to say this, but if you see Nigel Farage giving a speech, there's a good chance he's got a brown man standing next to him. That's Zia Yusuf, who is hugely popular with Reform activists and at the moment would be best placed to be Farage's successor. I don't think Zia is an advocate of white nationalism.

There are white nationalist groups in Britain. The biggest one is the Homeland Party, which has fewer than 1000 members and is led by Kenny Smith. If you've never heard of Kenny Smith, don't worry about that, because hardly anyone has.

Reform is predominantly built on anti immigration particularly of 'brown people'. That Farage has black 'friends' doesn't change that.

Sausagenbacon · 24/01/2026 22:25

Either way the New Right aren't really interested other than to exploit 'innate' qualities by feigning shared concerns with gender critical feminists to further their agenda which is white nationalism. And white nationalism requires 'white' babies hence their heightened aversion to reproductive rights & women in the work place not to mention women of colour.
Sure, they will put a swift end to 'gender ideology' which realistically only a minuscule portion of the population is effected by for the trade off of a substantially greater cost to women.
You can't have it both ways.

This truly is the thread that keeps on giving.
Do you realise how deranged you sound?

GCSEBiostruggles · 24/01/2026 22:25

Just look at US. That is what happens when they get in, and would happen here if Farage got a chance.

Brexit was another colossal fuck up that alienated us from EU which we now need to rely on more than ever.

Just see what the far right say about women and how they treat them and you'd be an idiot to think women would align with that, even if they weren't full of empathy and voted for the society as a whole, as they do.

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 22:21

I must admit I'm a bit sceptical about calls to "oppose the far right", not only because the definition of "far right" is extremely elastic - MI5 assets "Hope Not Hate" apply it to anyone a bit more conservative than Penny Mordaunt - but also because these campaigns usually involve the unions handing over money to the Socialist Workers Party, which is the UK left's equivalent of a grooming gang.

snowbear22 · 24/01/2026 22:19

I think that women are not innately Left wing and the meaning of being Left wing has changed over the last 10 years.
The issues of Black Lives Matter issuing in DEI and also trans ideology, mass immigration and 'no borders' movement and Net Zero have all come to prominence in the recent past.

Women have radically shifted to the left, while men have largely stayed the same.

Zarathustra (@zarathustra5150) on X

@xwanyex Political scientists and data quants have been telling us this for half a decade. Women have *radically* shifted to the left, while men have largely stayed the same. And you can see it born out in all the data:

https://x.com/zarathustra5150/status/2011850522781741462?s=20

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:19

1984Now · 24/01/2026 22:07

Ah, so that's the choice for women, trans activist egress and the diluting of their rights and language, or the alt right pivoting to some sort of racist Christian ethno nationalism tieing them to husbands and kitchen sinks?
Do you understand how nuts you sound in effectively saying only the left can save women and that means trans ideology becoming mainstream.

Oh dear

goodlawproject.org/why-is-reform-suddenly-worried-about-womens-safety/

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 22:18

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:14

There's these things called 'Reform' & 'America First' which are not only mainstream but have engulfed both Right wing parties & voters both in the US & UK.

More study required here.

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I don't know how to say this, but if you see Nigel Farage giving a speech, there's a good chance he's got a brown man standing next to him. That's Zia Yusuf, who is hugely popular with Reform activists and at the moment would be best placed to be Farage's successor. I don't think Zia is an advocate of white nationalism.

There are white nationalist groups in Britain. The biggest one is the Homeland Party, which has fewer than 1000 members and is led by Kenny Smith. If you've never heard of Kenny Smith, don't worry about that, because hardly anyone has.

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 22:14

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 21:52

What exactly is this "New Right" which espouses white nationalism? The Homeland Party? Do you have any idea how marginal those bozos are?

There's these things called 'Reform' & 'America First' which are not only mainstream but have engulfed both Right wing parties & voters both in the US & UK.

More study required here.

1984Now · 24/01/2026 22:07

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 21:43

Either way the New Right aren't really interested other than to exploit 'innate' qualities by feigning shared concerns with gender critical feminists to further their agenda which is white nationalism. And white nationalism requires 'white' babies hence their heightened aversion to reproductive rights & women in the work place not to mention women of colour.

Sure, they will put a swift end to 'gender ideology' which realistically only a minuscule portion of the population is effected by for the trade off of a substantially greater cost to women.

You can't have it both ways.

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Ah, so that's the choice for women, trans activist egress and the diluting of their rights and language, or the alt right pivoting to some sort of racist Christian ethno nationalism tieing them to husbands and kitchen sinks?
Do you understand how nuts you sound in effectively saying only the left can save women and that means trans ideology becoming mainstream.

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 21:52

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 21:43

Either way the New Right aren't really interested other than to exploit 'innate' qualities by feigning shared concerns with gender critical feminists to further their agenda which is white nationalism. And white nationalism requires 'white' babies hence their heightened aversion to reproductive rights & women in the work place not to mention women of colour.

Sure, they will put a swift end to 'gender ideology' which realistically only a minuscule portion of the population is effected by for the trade off of a substantially greater cost to women.

You can't have it both ways.

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What exactly is this "New Right" which espouses white nationalism? The Homeland Party? Do you have any idea how marginal those bozos are?

Gretel346 · 24/01/2026 21:43

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/01/2026 10:36

I suppose that must depends on how you frame women's rights. Is 'women's rights' purely about the concept of 'equality' as it now tends to be understood - whereby women work alongside men in paid employment and recieve the same pay, and whereby men and women both share the exact same responsibilities, as they arise, in terms of the home and family etc?

Or can 'women's rights' also be framed within an acceptance of some of the innate, general, differences between the sexes such as a recognition that it is women who do the bulk of the childcare etc ( for obvious reasons, certainly when the child very small) and often want to be at home in the early years of a. child's life? If you are more accepting of the strengths families then you could maybe implement policies which support the family and the women within it.

You might also be more accepting of the right of female people to privacy and dignity in public spaces in which they may be undressed or engaged with biological function etc The left tends to want to flatten out or even deny differences between groups of people - in pursuit of 'equality'

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Either way the New Right aren't really interested other than to exploit 'innate' qualities by feigning shared concerns with gender critical feminists to further their agenda which is white nationalism. And white nationalism requires 'white' babies hence their heightened aversion to reproductive rights & women in the work place not to mention women of colour.

Sure, they will put a swift end to 'gender ideology' which realistically only a minuscule portion of the population is effected by for the trade off of a substantially greater cost to women.

You can't have it both ways.

SionnachRuadh · 24/01/2026 21:22

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/01/2026 20:15

Maybe it is more that young women are not so open to hearing what she has to say -...... mainly because she is a Tory?

I don't find Kemi as impressive as she finds herself (who does?) but she's clearly a talented woman. Her main problem is that nobody is interested in hearing from the Conservative Party right now.

The thing about tribal leftism among young women is something American pollsters have dug into. Married women are barely more left leaning than their husbands. The Democrat advantage with women comes specifically with unmarried women with no children, who vote Democrat by Putin-style margins.

One might put that down to the abortion issue, but you find a similar thing in the UK, where abortion really doesn't figure as a partisan issue. We're at the point where half of young women seem minded to vote for Zack Polanski, which just leads me to think that female socialisation is quite a drug.

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/01/2026 20:15

inkognitha · 24/01/2026 12:10

KB needs a bit more stature and to engage with young women at some point, but she has lots of potential to incarnate a strong image of female leadership imho.

Maybe it is more that young women are not so open to hearing what she has to say -...... mainly because she is a Tory?

TomPinch · 24/01/2026 18:01

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/01/2026 10:39

Didn't she also typify that 'be kind', wet type of politics, which some might see as overly feminised?

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She did indeed. But the real issue is that her government didn't do what she promised it would, she left a big structural deficit in the finances, and - worst of all - swanned off to international acclaim which Kiwis hate. "Be Kind" is now shorthand here for well-meaning incompetence.

Sausagenbacon · 24/01/2026 17:46

So how about the role of Unison in supporting female members in a couple of prominant cases?
You know, real women?
You can chunter on about All this is before you get to the 'red pill' and incel cultures and their influence on men. but most of us aren't stupid enough to swallow it.