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Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 3

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fromorbit · 23/01/2026 07:54

Welcome to Part 3 of Mumsnet charting the drama inside Your Party. We have followed YP from the start when it looked liked it might be a major player to its ongoing internal row which has left it struggling.

We have the best and funniest commentary on British hard left wing politics, looking not just at YP itself, but wider issues plaguing the left. Dominated by the problem which weirdly didn't worry Marx, the Chartists, Anarchists, Trade Unionists, even Communist regimes, or much of the long history of left wing feminists, but suddenly in the last ten or so years has become huge. Is Human biology a thing ? Are men in dresses the most oppressed people on the planet even if they are billionaires?

Currently we are looking at Your Party internal elections which have been dominated by the split between the Corbyn and Sultana factions who have different visions of how the party should look. Summarised here:

Your Party? Whose elections?
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2026-01-21/your-party-whose-elections?language_content_entity=en

Sultana's Grassroots Left slate not only added Corbyn without permission but others. It seems they are being denounced for undemocratic manoeuvres.

Fractures amongst Sultana's shadow caucus have opened up
https://skidrowradio.substack.com/p/the-slate-that-wasnt

As always the Men in Dresses have outsize importance. The Trans Liberation group are backing the Sultanate Grassroots Left faction, but things as always are messy.

The set up of the YP voting also means there are male and female posts in each region. The non binary types are claiming this is unfair what about them:
Is this trolling? LGBTQIA+ group demand "non-binary" CEC spots
A Your Party clique is infuriated that non-men/women isn't a category for the elections.
https://skidrowradio.substack.com/p/is-this-trolling-lgbtqia-group-demand

There is plenty more crazy to come.

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5394557-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread

Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 2
All about the conference and run up which really saw YP faction fighting intensify. Highlights included a Scottish "trans" male sex pest berating the conference.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5440730-your-corbynsultana-party-discussion-thread-part-2?page=1

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Your Party? Whose elections?

Edited 21.1.26 with updates. Ruth Cashman, a regular writer for Solidarity, was initially banned from standing for the Central Executive Committee of Your Party on grounds that YP rules exclude members of “other national political parties”. She appeale...

https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2026-01-21/your-party-whose-elections?language_content_entity=en

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Playingvideogames · 09/02/2026 09:16

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:14

What I mean is in his demeanour and the way he talks to people. Unfailingly polite and 'reasonable' in tone.

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So is Starmer.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:14

Playingvideogames · 09/02/2026 09:12

He doesn’t. He does what every other politician does - support what suits their narrative and ignore anything that doesn’t.

He made a big song and dance of posting his concern over the Gisele Pelicot case, but has never once mentioned the ‘grooming gang’ scandal. Because to him, racial harmony is king, and anything that undermines it (even rape) must be hurriedly swept under the rug.

Same with political violence, despises it when it’s against somebody he supports, doesn’t mention it when he’s gushing over somebody who broke a policewoman’s spine with a sledgehammer or Hamas raping women to death and murdering children.

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What I mean is in his demeanour and the way he talks to people. Unfailingly polite and 'reasonable' in tone.

Playingvideogames · 09/02/2026 09:12

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 08:19

Yes, for all his blnid spots Corbyn at least tries to conduct himself in a way that is reflective of what he is preaching.

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He doesn’t. He does what every other politician does - support what suits their narrative and ignore anything that doesn’t.

He made a big song and dance of posting his concern over the Gisele Pelicot case, but has never once mentioned the ‘grooming gang’ scandal. Because to him, racial harmony is king, and anything that undermines it (even rape) must be hurriedly swept under the rug.

Same with political violence, despises it when it’s against somebody he supports, doesn’t mention it when he’s gushing over somebody who broke a policewoman’s spine with a sledgehammer or Hamas raping women to death and murdering children.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:06

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:04

I can imagine her as a character from The Muppet Show.

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Maybe 'Crazy Harry' the pyrotechnic freak?

Lalgarh · 09/02/2026 09:05

Leading an inquisition maybe for the secret police

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 09:04

SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 08:37

I think Corbyn missed his calling in some ways. In another timeline he'd have been a trendy vicar, and his congregation would have loved him.

I can't think of another role in society Sultana could have played, except as the model for Student Grant in Viz.

I can imagine her as a character from The Muppet Show.

SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 08:37

I think Corbyn missed his calling in some ways. In another timeline he'd have been a trendy vicar, and his congregation would have loved him.

I can't think of another role in society Sultana could have played, except as the model for Student Grant in Viz.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 08:19

moto748e · 08/02/2026 23:08

It's all a bit tragic, isn't it? I can't help but still retain a bit of a soft spot for Corbyn; despite him folding to genderwoo, like the vast majority of the Left and , centre-left, I still think of him as a fundamentally decent guy. Sultana, OTOH, seems completely poisonous to me. Meanwhile, Refom will probably win the election anyway.

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Yes, for all his blnid spots Corbyn at least tries to conduct himself in a way that is reflective of what he is preaching.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/02/2026 08:15

Lalgarh · 27/01/2026 21:48

Sultana on the attack against hapless Rachel Millward from the greens for being soft on stopping war spending.

https://nitter.net/zarahsultana/status/2015498160395723195#m

There is something to be said for increasing spend on health, but it's quaintly pointless if there is a glaring gap in national security that means say NHS data could be hacked ( she'd focus on Palantir but seems not to notice the threat from Chinese or Russian malevolent actors).

You'd think she would be aware that the rise in far right content in the UK is often times being generated in Russia or China etc, and that this is maybe a threat to cohesion that she's supposed to be fighting for .? No?

It is quite an irony for someone so aggressive and combative to stand on a platform of being anti war, and peace, love and harmony.

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fromorbit · 09/02/2026 07:40

RainbowBagels · 09/02/2026 00:13

Bloody hell whos even in Your Party anymore? Is it just Corbyn and Sultana having a scrap in the proverbial empty room?

They have about 11,000 active members and supposedly 50,000 signed up but due to internal drama those membership details cannot be accessed.

So that is not bad.

However it remains to be seen if they can do anything more than arguing a lot.

They will have people standing in May.

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Lalgarh · 09/02/2026 01:33

SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 00:07

Thing is @moto748e , when I've been to gatherings of left wing intellectuals in recent years years, it's been disappointing. Go to the Historical Materialism conference, and I defy you to find anything historical or materialist. It's ID politics and genderwoo all the way.

That's the Marxist intellectuals. As for Labour intellectuals, we're a long way from the days of Tony Crosland or Roy Jenkins. There's Lord Glasman and that's about it.

The Left has no shortage of clever people, but they're all wasting their time on nonsense. I don't see many of them thinking seriously about why nothing works in the UK, or how to rewire government so it serves the people.

There's a bit of that on the Right. I don't want to overegg that, because the Right may be less pretentious than the Left but it still runs very much on vibes. But what I like about Danny Kruger is, he explicitly doesn't claim to have the answers, he just says he thinks he's asking the right questions.

I think that's the task, to ask the right questions. When I try to dig into what the people around Andy Burnham think, it's mostly rehashing the stuff Mark Perryman was writing about in Marxism today in 1987 - PR, the progressive rainbow coalition, maybe think a little about UBI. Even if I believed in it, it's answering the questions of two generations ago.

Talking of Marxist (?*) intellectuals.

Mrs Chomsky asks for Noams advice to Jeffrey Epstein to be understood "in context".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/08/noam-chomsky-epstein-ties-wife-apology

'* strictly speaking Socialist libertarian or anarchist, and the lodestar for anti imperialist types

SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 00:18

RainbowBagels · 09/02/2026 00:13

Bloody hell whos even in Your Party anymore? Is it just Corbyn and Sultana having a scrap in the proverbial empty room?

Don't forget Max Shanly, the Ayatollah of Democratic Socialism!

RainbowBagels · 09/02/2026 00:13

Bloody hell whos even in Your Party anymore? Is it just Corbyn and Sultana having a scrap in the proverbial empty room?

SionnachRuadh · 09/02/2026 00:07

Thing is @moto748e , when I've been to gatherings of left wing intellectuals in recent years years, it's been disappointing. Go to the Historical Materialism conference, and I defy you to find anything historical or materialist. It's ID politics and genderwoo all the way.

That's the Marxist intellectuals. As for Labour intellectuals, we're a long way from the days of Tony Crosland or Roy Jenkins. There's Lord Glasman and that's about it.

The Left has no shortage of clever people, but they're all wasting their time on nonsense. I don't see many of them thinking seriously about why nothing works in the UK, or how to rewire government so it serves the people.

There's a bit of that on the Right. I don't want to overegg that, because the Right may be less pretentious than the Left but it still runs very much on vibes. But what I like about Danny Kruger is, he explicitly doesn't claim to have the answers, he just says he thinks he's asking the right questions.

I think that's the task, to ask the right questions. When I try to dig into what the people around Andy Burnham think, it's mostly rehashing the stuff Mark Perryman was writing about in Marxism today in 1987 - PR, the progressive rainbow coalition, maybe think a little about UBI. Even if I believed in it, it's answering the questions of two generations ago.

moto748e · 08/02/2026 23:46

I think we're pretty much on the same page here, @SionnachRuadh , but the sad thing is, in the bigger picture, is this the best the Left can do? The Tories used to be called the Stupid Party, and the Left were supposed to be the people with the analysis and the ideas. Who's got some better ideas now?

moto748e · 08/02/2026 23:26

I used to think, he's be happier if he'd just stayed on his allotment, and I can't but think there's a bit him that thinks that too, especially now! 😀

SionnachRuadh · 08/02/2026 23:22

I'm the same. I don't dislike Corbyn personally, I think he was just harmlessly dotty until he accidentally found himself in the leadership.

Of course his leadership opened the door for a lot of genuinely poisonous people. And Sultana's behaviour has convinced me that she should never be in charge of anything.

moto748e · 08/02/2026 23:08

It's all a bit tragic, isn't it? I can't help but still retain a bit of a soft spot for Corbyn; despite him folding to genderwoo, like the vast majority of the Left and , centre-left, I still think of him as a fundamentally decent guy. Sultana, OTOH, seems completely poisonous to me. Meanwhile, Refom will probably win the election anyway.

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fromorbit · 08/02/2026 22:06

Insight into the drama inside YP over Gorton

Decision day nears for Your Party’s leader selection
The day after the Gordon and Denton by-election, Your Party will chose its leader
Inside the Green Party, the battle over whether Your Party chose to back them or not didn’t make much difference. One source told the New Statesman, “we’re not really arsed about what they put on Twitter”. The source said local Your Party members have already been turning up to help canvas for Spencer in Gorton and Denton. They added: “While they mess around, we’ve got a by-election to win.”
https://archive.is/VBddA

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fromorbit · 08/02/2026 17:41

Corbyn's Your Party to challenge Greens at Holyrood election
69.8% of party members backed standing candidates during a vote at the first Your Party Scotland conference in Dundee.

Candidate shortlists are expected to be drawn up as early as next week.

Speaking following the vote, Sultana criticised the SNP and Scottish Greens.

She said: “Scottish people deserve better than a politics that wears the veneer of progressivism while still pushing through cuts that decimate our communities, and that’s what you get with the SNP and the Greens.”
Sultana added: “We can do better than that.
“In fact, you deserve better than that, and Your Party exists to oppose cuts, and I’m glad that you have voted to put candidates on a no-cuts platform, because that is the socialist position.”

The Scottish Greens and Your Party have waged a fierce battle over the nation's leftist vote in recent months.
In October, Glasgow Green councillors Dan Hutchison, Seonad Hoy and Leodhas Massie defected to the nascent party, as did two Glasgow MSP candidates and three West of Scotland MSP candidates.

Speaking at the time, Hutchison said that the Scottish Greens had "their heads deep in the sand".
He added: "I'm proud to be joining a truly socialist party who will not accept the status quo, will actually involve ordinary people in the politics that impacts their lives, and won't be accepting brutal cuts in exchange for scraps off the table."
The defections followed the Scottish Greens' autumn conference, where members voted against plans to explore an election pact with Your Party.
Earlier on Sunday, Corbyn told the conference it was up to the people of Scotland to decide on holding another independence referendum.
He said: “As far as I’m concerned, I’ve always had the position that if the people in Scotland and the Scottish organisations want a referendum to decide the future of Scotland, that is their choice.”

Ellie Gomersall, who was poised to be elected as a Green MSP via the Glasgow regional list prior to defecting to Your Party, said the conference had "proved our commitment to becoming a serious political force"
Gomersall said: “From agreeing our position in support of independence, to committing to stand candidates in select regions in the upcoming Holyrood elections, this weekend members across Scotland proved our commitment to becoming a serious political force that will put in the work to transform Scotland and improve people's lives.
“With the far right on the rise and governments in both Holyrood and Westminster passing on cuts to local communities, the need for a real anti-establishment party to challenge the status quo couldn't be more needed - and that's exactly what Your Party Scotland is here to do."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25836360.corbyns-party-challenge-greens-holyrood-election/

Corbyn's Your Party to challenge Greens at Holyrood election

69.8 per cent of party members backed standing candidates during a vote at the first Your Party Scotland conference in Dundee.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25836360.corbyns-party-challenge-greens-holyrood-election/

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Lalgarh · 07/02/2026 12:18

Is it only Sultana or Corbyn aligned as a choice or is there a third way (lol) independent faction. Maybe that Bolshevik one

SionnachRuadh · 07/02/2026 11:03

I kind of hope Sultana wins, for the same reason I hoped Layla Moran would become LD leader.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/02/2026 03:05

I hope Sultana wins 😂

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fromorbit · 07/02/2026 02:44

Corbyn and Sultana are neck-and-neck in the race to lead Your Party

https://archive.is/JJIJG

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