Your Corbyn/Sultana Party - Discussion thread - Part 3

Corbyn backed Newham independents attacking the greens as pro DrUgkz. Stats for lefties outraged

https://nitter.net/LeftieStats/status/2049926764332474786#m

(They've now deleted)

Who knew Claudia Webbe was an intellectual pontificating on the future of socialism. It's just the capitalist fash media that knows her as the fckn deranged scorned vitriol plotter. I totally didn't read the factoids in that and think "that's chat GPT"

I don't know what's worse about the revolutionary left...that they'll freeze you to death, or bore you to death?

I assume Zarah is talking about a different intifada that goes to another school.

Zara calling Starmer a liar is the perfect meme of a stuck clock telling the time correctly at least once a day.

Sultana has also come to the attention of JK Rowling

https://nitter.net/jk_rowling/status/2049590762325630988#m

Delicious! 😀

From Maddie Grant's Spectator sketch:

Some MPs were actually prepared to name the large, grey, trunk-bearing mammal in the room and point out that the Prime Minister was almost certainly lying. To do so is considered un-parliamentary behaviour and so risks a chucking-out even if it is akin to looking up and commenting that what’s above you is a colour somewhere between Cyan and Magenta. Lee Anderson said the PM ‘couldn’t lie straight in bed’, which he was made to retract before being turfed out of the Commons.

Braver was Zarah Sultana, who repeated the claim that the PM was lying, to an incandescent Hoyle, who not only chucked her out but suspended her from the House, meaning five days’ banishment without pay. Quite the punishment for stating the obvious.

One wonders what she and Lee chatted about in the sin bin but then Starmer’s shamelessness has made some odd bedfellows. Corbynistas nodded along to Mrs Badenoch, the SNP cheered DUP questions, the Tories were in total thrall to Diane Abbott. Maybe the real friends were the ones we made along the way? It was like an unlikely Disney buddy film, all brought together by contempt for one man’s naked shamelessness. Sweet, eh?

That corner of the chamber, with Corbyn and the Gaza MPs in the back row and the Reform MPs sitting in front of them, seems to be the House's naughty step. There's a lot of banter goes on. Ideology aside, they seem to get on reasonably well on a personal basis.

I've seen Rosie Duffield sitting there. Also Tim Farron, who seems to find it much more fun than hanging out with the Lib Dems.

I rarely see Sultana in the chamber. When she speaks, she often seems to come in late in a debate when there aren't many MPs around. I would feel sorry for her, but working with others is a key skill in politics and she doesn't have it.

Was watching bits of the Starmer statement this afternoon. Lee Anderson had already been kicked out for calling Starmer a liar. By this evening Sultana had managed it too but seems to be getting the headlines and plaudits from Reform types on Twitter.

I did see she wasn't sitting close to Corbyn who'd tried to ask forensic questions from the backbenches

Sharetoken for the Times article:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/d2683840-48ba-48c3-b15b-04450467f555?shareToken=8e7355084424e0a0e8292771aa2aa611&ver=article

Well this is a curve ball.

Remember the Together Alliance march on a few weekends back. Trade unions and left parties marching against the threat of populism and the far right. Zack Polanski twerking on stage. Vows to shun the like of Farage.

It turns out Unite (who cut their Labour party subs by 40%) have been holding secret talks with Reform about ending the Birmingham bin strikes. You know, the pivotal cause for Your Party that got Sultana on the picket line pledging solidarity

https://nitter.net/zarahsultana/status/2017320088454533552#m
https://nitter.net/patrickkmaguire/status/2044889712041635961#m

Times (paywalled) https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/unite-labour-reform-farage-birmingham-bin-strike-ftsk2707m

As noted in one of the replies, the whole impetus of the dispute is an equal pay claim that, if the union won and kept the specific role in place, would leave the council in breach potentially of the equality act. Reform have said they want to scrap the act, if I remember

https://nitter.net/DanielDieppe/status/2044911047476134359#m

After all the endless faff about creating the most complex party constitution imaginable (Ben Habib doesn't know he's born), I suppose it was inevitable that someone would sue to force Corbzy to rerun the election under a different system that you need to be a mathematician to understand.

And then they wonder why they can't get normies to vote for them.

A disgruntled candidate for Your Party CEC is now threatening to sue them for breach on contract (? Is that even possible? Iirc party of them are a private company) and has contacted the Good Law Project to begin proceedings.

https://nitter.net/Wrevolution/status/2043947231150027163#m.

So, a likely win for Corbzy after all😝

I'd argue that this alliance of opposites has always really depended on Labour controlling serious layers of government (if not national then at least local/devolved) so it can be the mechanism for handing out goodies to preferred constituencies.

It doesn't have to be Labour - the SNP and in some local areas the Lib Dems have had a fair stab at it - but I'm not convinced the Greens are mature enough to pull it off, and Lavalette being disappointed that Muslim independents in Walsall aren't behaving like Militant Liverpool in the 1980s seems to me a bit of a category error.

I might be wrong, but I think Lavalette only uses the word "Muslim" in that article when he's describing Sultana. Otherwise he just talks about networks of independent candidates who are anti-war and anti-austerity(*)

Michael isn't a deep thinker, but he knows who he owes his council seat in Preston to, and that is local Muslims who he's got a long term relationship with via his grassroots activism (basically Palestine plus hyperlocal concerns) and I doubt if many of them know Counterfire exists.

Also a bit cheeky to blame Corbyn's inner circle when CF's leadership (hello Lindsey, hello John) are deeply embedded in that circle, though in classic "the good tsar and his bad advisers" style Michael doesn't blame Corbyn himself for any of this, and similarly fudges Sultana's involvement in the dodgy portal etc. CF are talking up grassroots politics while playing Renaissance court politics and flattering the MPs to expand their own influence.

(*) Michael I'm sure knows much more than me about the independent councillors in Lancashire, but from my experience the one thing the Muslim independents in East London are unanimously opposed to is LTNs. Looking at the small business backgrounds of the people involved, it's not at all surprising that Newham Independents are very pro-motorist. I wonder if this will be a barrier to them forming an opportunistic coalition with the Greens. Again, it's amazing how lightly Michael skips over the nature of the community independent groups.

Dear oh dear

That's the Scottish branch gone:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/6682449c-9b8d-4264-87a8-fe6a6b1bb958?shareToken=358d09b1235ca34cec25b2d12056c102&ver=article

I have no problem with the idea of proscribing the SWP or the SPEW or the Weedy Wanker. I think the AWL would be more likely to be good boys, but their pro-Israel line probably doesn't make them popular.

If you're a Leninist group and you want to be in a bigger party, the least you can do is follow the example of Workers Power and pretend you've dissolved. Openly maintaining your own paper and membership and internal discipline is a bit much for any party to take.

For instance, in "People Before Profit" in Ireland, the SWP dropped their "party" designation and now claim to be a "network", even though they actually run the thing.

Friday night is Leninist affiliate Purge Night over at Your Party

https://nitter.net/charliemansell/status/2042679894014881929#m

"Your Party“ proscribe more Leninist organisations in a day than Labour did in the last 6 years!

Top factoid from Shanly that in 2016 Corbyn voted to abolish his incoming majority on the NEC bc he misunderstood the meaning of the vote

https://nitter.net/DouglasGibb2002/status/2042685319330312498#m

Rare example these days of a joke from HIGNY that lands.

Maybe in 2045 Hislop will tentatively try a joke about TRAs.