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New trans equality civil servant at the Cabinet Office to focus on the ‘implications’ of 2025’s Supreme Court judgment

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IwantToRetire · 19/01/2026 18:31

Well, well, well.

Talk about sending a clear message about who is more important to Labour.

Trans will get their own cheer leader to make sure they are not discriminated against.

Women have no one to stop the discriminiation of blocking the implementation of singe sex provision.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/19/civil-service-hire-trans-equality-chief-supreme-court/

And at https://archive.is/S57Uv

Civil Service to hire trans equality chief as Labour dithers over Supreme Court ruling

A new policy manager at the Cabinet Office will focus on the ‘implications’ of 2025’s Supreme Court judgment

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/19/civil-service-hire-trans-equality-chief-supreme-court/

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Notanorthener · 20/01/2026 14:00

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:48

You’re correct that gender isn’t biologically measurable and is self-identified. At the same time, gender reflects social norms and roles historically linked to biological sex, which have evolved over time and vary across cultures. It is not an ideology or a belief system — it’s a way to describe how people experience, express, and navigate identity within society.

Gender expression and fluidity have existed for hundreds of years across cultures. Like sexual orientation, gender is a deeply personal aspect of identity that shapes how people live and interact, without denying the biological reality of sex.

You are also correct in that not everyone has a gender identity, these are non-binary people.

”You are also correct in that not everyone has a gender identity, these are non-binary people.”

This is completely wrong. Most people do not have a gender identity and most people are not non-binary. Most people don’t spend a single second of any day thinking about their “gender identity”. They get up, they go to work, they look after their family and, if they are women, they are likely paid less, taken for granted and patronised - because of their sex.

”gender reflects social norms and roles historically linked to biological sex, which have evolved over time and vary across cultures” - in other words, gender/gender identity is based on sexual stereotypes. We know! That’s why we object to it and why it oppresses women.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 13:53

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:48

You’re correct that gender isn’t biologically measurable and is self-identified. At the same time, gender reflects social norms and roles historically linked to biological sex, which have evolved over time and vary across cultures. It is not an ideology or a belief system — it’s a way to describe how people experience, express, and navigate identity within society.

Gender expression and fluidity have existed for hundreds of years across cultures. Like sexual orientation, gender is a deeply personal aspect of identity that shapes how people live and interact, without denying the biological reality of sex.

You are also correct in that not everyone has a gender identity, these are non-binary people.

What do you think people felt or did before the advent of trans ideology? Can you remember that time? It wasn't that long ago .What do you think about those of us here, or any one at all who didn't feel comfortable with the cultural, familial or self imposed expectations based on their sex? How did they resolve these feelings without the language of gender ideology to give it shape and form? How did people step outside of social stereotype and expectations to express themselves and their sexuality?

The difference, I suggest, is that before people didn''t deny they were male or female ( deny the reality of biological sex). People have always been various in their personality and preferences etc...if that is what you mean by 'gender fluidity'. Just think back to glam rock in the 1970's as but one example; or the extravagant flamboyance of men in certain royal courts throughout history; or Joan of Arc's attempt to enngage in what would have typically been a masculine pursuit. Think about the women's liberation movement and the gay liberation movement. People struggled to be who they were without claiming they were actually the opposite sex; to be free of rigid constraints predicated solely on their sex.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 13:49

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:37

I support single-sex spaces — courts uphold these protections, and my earlier comment reflected that. Recognizing sex-based rights doesn’t stop us acknowledging trans people or ensuring they have protections where appropriate.

i didn't miss anything, its a very complex topic surrounded by lots of confusion, and rhetoric. Places like Finland are slightly more forward on this and already move toward gender neutral bathrooms where possible etc. Its inevitably where society over here will move towards if common sense is followed.

What you are failing to see is the whole way the concept of 'gender identity' has been framed; the ideological and theoretical constructs that lie beneath and behind it. What you are calling 'trans people' are simply male and female people who have adopted a certain type of identity label. A type of identity which has been heavily pushed and promoted for quite some time now......long enough, for many not to recall, or even question, its origins.

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:48

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 13:13

Gender is not measurable in the way that sex is because it is conceptual. A creation of mental processes. It originates in ideology: ideas about the self and society. 'Gender' is ideas and expectations about 'Masculine and 'feminine'.

The term 'gender' has been wilfully conflated with the measurable, biological reality of 'Sex' 'Gender' cannot be measured and it means different things to different people. Not everyone has a 'gender identity' because it is a label that originated in Queer Theory. Most people don't identify themselves in such ways.

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You’re correct that gender isn’t biologically measurable and is self-identified. At the same time, gender reflects social norms and roles historically linked to biological sex, which have evolved over time and vary across cultures. It is not an ideology or a belief system — it’s a way to describe how people experience, express, and navigate identity within society.

Gender expression and fluidity have existed for hundreds of years across cultures. Like sexual orientation, gender is a deeply personal aspect of identity that shapes how people live and interact, without denying the biological reality of sex.

You are also correct in that not everyone has a gender identity, these are non-binary people.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 13:44

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:37

I support single-sex spaces — courts uphold these protections, and my earlier comment reflected that. Recognizing sex-based rights doesn’t stop us acknowledging trans people or ensuring they have protections where appropriate.

i didn't miss anything, its a very complex topic surrounded by lots of confusion, and rhetoric. Places like Finland are slightly more forward on this and already move toward gender neutral bathrooms where possible etc. Its inevitably where society over here will move towards if common sense is followed.

It really is not that complex at all? What is "'complex?" The idea that this is too complex for people to understand has permitted all sorts to go on under cover of ignorance.

Earlier on you confidently stated that 'Gender' and 'Sex' were two separate things and that genderists ( believers in gender identity theory) were not intent on the erasure of sex and thus women's established sex based protections. That is simply false.

What did you make of the Labour party mantra TWAW and TMAM? The one they used to chant at people. They were definitely trying to conflate the concept of gender identity with the reality of sex. The whole concept of 'cis' women and 'trans' women was another attempt to suggest that some men are actually women and an attempt to blur the boundaries.

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:37

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 12:54

You do realise that not too long ago the intention of Stonewall to remove 'Sex' as a protected characteristic altogether and replace it with the concept of 'Gender Identity'. Many would still like to see this happen.

Thank goodness we challenged the whole concept of self ID - because if we hadn't we'd be well on the way to the legal erasure of 'Sex' already. Many organisations had conveniently forgotten or had been mis-advised that it was 'Gender' and not 'Sex' that was the protected category.

How have you managed to missed all of this?

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I support single-sex spaces — courts uphold these protections, and my earlier comment reflected that. Recognizing sex-based rights doesn’t stop us acknowledging trans people or ensuring they have protections where appropriate.

i didn't miss anything, its a very complex topic surrounded by lots of confusion, and rhetoric. Places like Finland are slightly more forward on this and already move toward gender neutral bathrooms where possible etc. Its inevitably where society over here will move towards if common sense is followed.

Talkinpeace · 20/01/2026 13:24

The EHRC Guidance cannot contradict the law.
Phillipson was given the guidance in Spetember
She was given the (legally not needed) impact assessment in October.

The Supreme Court ruling was not about "trans"
It was about women.
The only "trans" people angry with it
are entitled men who have been told they are not allowed in female spaces

Gender is a Mens Rights campaign

MsGreying · 20/01/2026 13:19

PermanentTemporary · 19/01/2026 18:53

Bridget Phillipson is the Minister for Women and Equalities, if you’ve forgotten. So yes, women do have a post for us. We’re supposed to be GC and pro the Equality Act - all of it. I certainly don’t want it repealed.

She's something. That's for certain.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 13:13

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:08

Sex and Gender are different. Its not ideological, its fact.

Gender is not measurable in the way that sex is because it is conceptual. A creation of mental processes. It originates in ideology: ideas about the self and society. 'Gender' is ideas and expectations about 'Masculine and 'feminine'.

The term 'gender' has been wilfully conflated with the measurable, biological reality of 'Sex' 'Gender' cannot be measured and it means different things to different people. Not everyone has a 'gender identity' because it is a label that originated in Queer Theory. Most people don't identify themselves in such ways.

Doomscrollingforever · 20/01/2026 13:12

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:08

Sex and Gender are different. Its not ideological, its fact.

Please define ‘gender’?

Doomscrollingforever · 20/01/2026 13:11

Goldfsh · 20/01/2026 13:06

Yep good luck trying to comply with the Gender Recognition Act 2004 with your NHS patient records with no guidelines whatsoever. It's been an incoherent shambles for years but that doesn't stop people with the best intentions from losing their jobs.

Which brings us back to the EHRC and their guidelines ready to be laid before Parliament….

Collat · 20/01/2026 13:08

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 12:44

There are only two sexes. Please stop with this ideological jargon about 'genders'.

Sex and Gender are different. Its not ideological, its fact.

Goldfsh · 20/01/2026 13:06

Doomscrollingforever · 20/01/2026 12:56

Or you could just follow the law….

Yep good luck trying to comply with the Gender Recognition Act 2004 with your NHS patient records with no guidelines whatsoever. It's been an incoherent shambles for years but that doesn't stop people with the best intentions from losing their jobs.

Doomscrollingforever · 20/01/2026 12:56

Goldfsh · 20/01/2026 12:52

There is no way that anyone is ready with guidelines for the millions of different situations where this stuff arises (especially across health, where the wrong move has resulted in doctors and nurses being fired, e.g. for putting something on the wrong record). It's a huge situation and the implications are massive.

I gave up working in this area because it was an impossible job. If you think otherwise, seriously apply for it! I don't think it matters at all what your personal views are in this sort of role (if you are making that assumption).

Or you could just follow the law….

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 12:54

Collat · 20/01/2026 12:18

I think we fundamentally disagree on what “the rest of society” thinks, but that’s not the same as saying these concerns don’t exist. They clearly do, and cases like the nurse tribunals show how difficult some of these situations are in practice.

Where I disagree is the idea that trans rights work is inherently about erasing women’s rights or safeguarding. Courts recognising that sex-based protections exist doesn’t mean trans people therefore have no rights at all, or that their existence is an ideology rather than a reality policymakers have to deal with.
I actually agree that some spaces, like changing rooms, are reasonably organised by sex. Acknowledging that doesn’t require pretending trans people don’t exist, don’t face discrimination, or don’t deserve legal protections in other areas of life.

On children, I think harm exists on all sides of this debate, but it’s not accurate to suggest that trans children themselves are unaffected by the climate around this. Many experience bullying, stigma, and distress precisely because their identity is dismissed as either a phase or a threat. Safeguarding should mean protecting all children — including those who are trans — not framing one group’s existence as the cause of harm to another.

We can debate where boundaries should sit without reducing trans people to an “ideology” or assuming that recognizing their rights automatically means sacrificing women’s.

You do realise that not too long ago the intention of Stonewall to remove 'Sex' as a protected characteristic altogether and replace it with the concept of 'Gender Identity'. Many would still like to see this happen.

Thank goodness we challenged the whole concept of self ID - because if we hadn't we'd be well on the way to the legal erasure of 'Sex' already. Many organisations had conveniently forgotten or had been mis-advised that it was 'Gender' and not 'Sex' that was the protected category.

How have you managed to missed all of this?

Goldfsh · 20/01/2026 12:52

Doomscrollingforever · 20/01/2026 12:45

If only there were an organisation already paid to produce guidelines, and if only those guidelines were written and ready to be laid before parliament?!

There is no way that anyone is ready with guidelines for the millions of different situations where this stuff arises (especially across health, where the wrong move has resulted in doctors and nurses being fired, e.g. for putting something on the wrong record). It's a huge situation and the implications are massive.

I gave up working in this area because it was an impossible job. If you think otherwise, seriously apply for it! I don't think it matters at all what your personal views are in this sort of role (if you are making that assumption).

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 12:49

Collat · 20/01/2026 10:54

I can understand why people are anxious about women’s safety and single-sex spaces — those concerns are real and deserve to be taken seriously.

But I don’t see anything in this job description that suggests it’s about undermining women’s or female-specific rights. It appears to be about updating and coordinating trans rights policy, which hasn’t kept pace with legal, medical, and social developments.

Acknowledging trans people’s rights doesn’t automatically mean removing protections for women. In practice, most policy work should be about balancing both — ensuring trans people are treated with dignity and equality, while still recognizing the importance of sex-based protections where they are genuinely necessary.

Given how much the scientific and legal understanding of being transgender has changed , including the move away from treating it as a mental health condition , does it not seem reasonable for the UK to have someone whose role is to make sure policy reflects current scientific consensus rather than past assumptions?

There is no scientific consensus at all on the whole transgender project - for the reason it is highly ideological in construction.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 12:47

Collat · 20/01/2026 12:38

Sorry i mis typed, for all sex based equality.

You know the concept of 'equality' is not the same as things being identiical to each other. Categories in the equality act receive additional protections and measures against known issues and factors - to enable them to take part in society with dignity. 'Sex' is one of those categories.

Doomscrollingforever · 20/01/2026 12:45

Goldfsh · 20/01/2026 12:43

This is a huge SO WHAT? It's a fairly standard admin manager salary in the public sector. Someone needs to draft the new recommendations and policies. I used to work in this area and getting the trans stuff right took up a huge amount of time (and got me a lot of personal abuse). I'd have been enormously grateful if someone else was there to do it!!

Why not apply?

If only there were an organisation already paid to produce guidelines, and if only those guidelines were written and ready to be laid before parliament?!

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 12:44

Collat · 20/01/2026 12:28

Employment tribunals aren’t evidence of a “stranglehold”; sex is biologically stable and legally immutable, and courts deal with conduct and policy, not private beliefs. Groups like SEEN are internal staff networks, not policy-making bodies, and they exist to support equality for all genders, not just trans people.

There are only two sexes. Please stop with this ideological jargon about 'genders'.

Goldfsh · 20/01/2026 12:43

This is a huge SO WHAT? It's a fairly standard admin manager salary in the public sector. Someone needs to draft the new recommendations and policies. I used to work in this area and getting the trans stuff right took up a huge amount of time (and got me a lot of personal abuse). I'd have been enormously grateful if someone else was there to do it!!

Why not apply?

Doomscrollingforever · 20/01/2026 12:42

but it is not accurate to describe this as the NHS “experimenting” with banned drugs (they were never banned).

puberty blockers are currently banned for ‘trans’ (admittedly they are still used as chemotherapy for prostate cancer and for endometriosis where there are strict controls limiting their use to six months and only once in a lifetime due to their dangers).

The nhs is about to start an experiment treating children with puberty blockers - called the Pathway Trial..

Collat · 20/01/2026 12:38

Cheeseandmorecheese · 20/01/2026 12:32

SEEN exists to support equality for all genders?? Confused

Sorry i mis typed, for all sex based equality.

Shortshriftandlethal · 20/01/2026 12:37

Collat · 20/01/2026 11:50

I disagree with most of what you’ve said, and I think it relies on assumptions rather than what’s actually stated.

There’s nothing in “updating and coordinating trans rights policy” that implies removing women’s rights or safeguarding. The role applies to all trans people — including trans men, who are almost entirely absent from these discussions — and updating policy does not automatically mean dismantling sex-based protections.

Being transgender itself is not classified as a mental health disorder. That doesn’t mean trans people can’t experience mental health difficulties — many do — but evidence shows that dismissing someone’s gender identity as “just mental illness” often worsens distress rather than resolves it.

On medical care: puberty blockers have been prescribed for decades in paediatric care, primarily for precocious puberty. Their use in gender-related care is rightly debated and more tightly regulated, but it is not accurate to describe this as the NHS “experimenting” with banned drugs (they were never banned). Decisions, where they occur, involve specialist clinicians, safeguarding processes, and parental consent. These proffesionals have worked with the child over a long period and are in a better position than you or i with the parents to make the decision on what's best for an individual child.

It’s reasonable to debate how services should operate and how safeguarding should work — but that’s very different from claiming the purpose of this role is to undermine women or harm children.

And to be clear, being trans isn’t an ideology. It’s a recognized aspect of human identity, and there’s no evidence that people can be persuaded or recruited into being trans. Major medical bodies recognize that gender identity is not a choice, and attempts to dismiss it as ideology or social contagion aren’t supported by evidence — This is like back when being gay was also seen as a mental illness or social contagion... but now we know you cant convince a straight person gay or a gay person straight. its something you are born into.

Of course, the whole concept of transgendersim is an ideology. An ideology is a set of ideas which seek to explain how the world works, or how one would like the world to work. Often ideologies bear no relation to reality and the nature of human beings and societies. They remain idealistic..because they originate in ideas not practical reality.

Before the concept of 'transgender' came into being - those few men ( overwhelmingly men) who were driven to present as women were known as. transsexuals, or esle transvestites...depending on how far they took the desire.

'Gender' itself is a conceptual idea. It is sex which is the measurable reality.

Postmodernistic theories of the self that began to be promoted on university campuses from about the late 1980's postulated the idea that there was no truth and that we all made up our own truth. One central idea idea was to challenge stereotypes about what it meant to be male or female, but this somehow managed to get caught up in re-affirming sex based stereotypes rather than in challenging them.

And many young people have certainly been caught up in this, girls particularly. When I was last teaching in schools in 2010 - there was no such thing as a trans child; nobody had heard of it; it wasn't a thing. After Stonewall secured gay marriage equality in 2014 they sat about promoting and re-defining 'transgenderism' - aided by American dollars - and the whole concept of 'a gender identity' took off. 'Non binary' is just one of the latest identity labels to be added to the ever growing catalogue. Youth cultures no longer revolve around music like they used to, now youth feel the need to adopt some sort of 'identity' that is rooted in Queer Theory if they want to appear cool or express individuality.

People who adopt such identities remain either male or female; they are not some unique category of person - and there is a broad range of people who have been encouraged to take up such identities From men who were previously referred to as transvestites ( who now declare themselves 'transgender' and destroy their marriages and family life due to this obession); to young tech bros and gamers with autism and a lack of social skills; to young lesbians and other non conforming young women who hate on-lnne depictions of what it is supposed to mean to be female and/or don't want to present in girly or overtly 'feminine' ways; and those escaping sexual abuse and/or emotional trauma and/or dysfunctional family life.

Doomscrollingforever · 20/01/2026 12:37

On children, I think harm exists on all sides of this debate, but it’s not accurate to suggest that trans children themselves are unaffected by the climate around this. Many experience bullying, stigma, and distress precisely because their identity is dismissed as either a phase or a threat. Safeguarding should mean protecting allchildren — including those who are trans — not framing one group’s existence as the cause of harm to another.

Another ‘all sides’ where one side lies to children, tells them they can change sex, encourages the use of dangerous drugs that reduce IQ, isolates them from their peers and locks them into a life of sterility, asexuality and lower life expectancy from the affects of drugs on heart/increased cancer as well as untreated mental illness or caused by a life chasing the impossible. A side that tells everyone else that they must lie too and bullies them into conforming. That destroys safeguarding for all children - telling boys they can ignore girls boundaries, annd telling girls boundaries are bullying, and reinforces harmful regressive sex stereotypes.

And on the other side we have people who say children should not be lied to, should be allowed to grow up and become comfortable in their sex, safeguards all children, allows all children to speak the truth about sex and have boundaries about their person and their privacy and dignity, and says girls and boys do not have to be limited by harmful stereotypes.