Transgender Refugees fleeing the USA

While I'm not surprised at The Guardian uncritically making these people out to be modern day martyrs I do wonder if there's a secret terf running 'operation let them speak' here. If I were still a Guardian reader I would be thinking 'what the hell?' at this point. (If I hadn't done so when rapist Adam Bryson got sent to a women's prison because he put a wig on and said he was a woman.).

I'm a bit confused how the kink party segued into a stay in a mental health ward?

' In April last year she flew into Schiphol* *airport in Amsterdam and, sobbing, asked a customs officer how to claim asylum. “And they laughed because: what’s this big dumb American doing here asking about asylum? '

😶

Hopefully Terf Island is at the bottom of their list.

I also couldn’t work out why a software engineer who says he could command $600K in California couldn’t get a job in Canada, the Netherlands or one of many other countries. If it’s about time pressure because he can’t bear renewing his passport and getting one that says “male”, well, living in a refugee camp for months is one hell of a price to pay for that. Wouldn’t the rational thing to do be to immigrate to a country considered safe and apply for citizenship there, especially as the Dutch are going to deny his application and then possibly deport him, after which he risks being back to square 1?

Me neither. 😂

Iran performs forcible "sex change" surgery on gay people to "correct" them - so a gay woman "becomes" a straight man and a gay man "becomes" a straight woman.

Just slightly different.

Fucking hell.

So convinced he's a woman. So fucking unaware how much of the stuff he defines himself by would not be accessible to him if he actually was.

So much self righteous pain and anger, and when you read between the lines this is all about his desire to be called a woman, compete in women's sports and allowed to be in women's changing rooms and other private spaces. Apparently people objected to him at the gym not because he was in the women's spaces but because he was "a better athlete than they are" - were they perhaps women?

I'd be interested to see how his experiences and salary at Uber compare with those of equally competent women - I seem to remember Uber management having a pretty serious sexual harassment case at one point.

😂😂

So Arc is a software engineer who could easily have got a job in the Netherlands - or indeed Canada - but decided to flee the US in a panic and try to claim asylum which is almost certain to fail.In the meantime he has to live in what sounds like an absolute dump. 'Simply denying someone the right to put their chosen gender on their passport is nowhere near enough.' Well exactly. It really is about the drama isn't it. Why on earth would ICE detain him if he went back? Isn't he an American citizen? And poor Nox. The only reason America is unsuitable for trans people is because it utterly fails to provide adequate mental health services for young gender questioning children.

That was the part where I started to get really angry!!
Thank god he never got to have a child 🙏🙌

”Arc knows how that might sound. “I hear a lot of people saying: ‘You are an idiot. You came here from America.’ People will tell me: ‘Did you think about moving to California?’”

🤐 There are some great quotes in that article, although not for the reason the journalist included them.

I wonder if there’s tension in gay-friendly cities like San Francisco, between gay people and trans people. Especially where it comes to women only groups.

I’ve just skimmed the blog linked above, and two things jumped out - Jane really does love a communal shower, and is training hard for competitive sports in a female category. Ticked a couple of things off my bingo card.

I couldn't finish Jane's verbose writings
Me me me and more me

Thanks for the link to the archive of that blog. Goodness me. What a fortunate thing for the child Jane wanted to bring into the world by surrogacy that it isn't currently possible. I can't see how anybody can think that Jane is a good candidate for parenthood, especially single parenthood. Jane sounds utterly paranoid for a start. Then there's the fact that Jane was hoping to become not just a parent but a mother.

ADDICT ALERT
There is an addiction to the hormones. There is an addiction to the drama. There is an addiction to the forcing everyone else to suck it up. There is an addiction to their social status.

Addicts don't react well to the word no. They blame everyone else but themselves.

We still shouldn't cave in.

So long as they don't come here after they've failed in the Netherlands, we got enough home grown nutters, who are already entirely influenced by the drama lama's in the USA, without them walking amongst us. 🤮

I honestly don't understand why you can claim asylum in the country you wish to stay. Surely you should have to do it at the Embassy in your own country... and if you fail to do that - you get rejected and barred forever.
Like with visas. You don't rock up somewhere then sort your visa out... you do it before you leave.

The Telegraph carried a story a few days ago about an American man trying to claim refigee status in the UK. He failed, of course, and yet he's still here. Of course.

Anyway, he had a 22 page letter from the relevant UK authority (Home Office?) detailing exactly why his application had failed. This young man wasn't trans, but he was an African-American, middle class graduate from a comfortable background so definite similarities with the overly-imaginitive characters here.

Not least:

"I also began the journey to become a parent through IVF and surrogacy"

"I was at a kink party"

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