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MarvellousMonsters · 22/01/2026 18:47

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2026 14:46

ADDICT ALERT
There is an addiction to the hormones. There is an addiction to the drama. There is an addiction to the forcing everyone else to suck it up. There is an addiction to their social status.

Addicts don't react well to the word no. They blame everyone else but themselves.

We still shouldn't cave in.

The drama and ‘look how special I am’ is definitely addictive.

tropicaltrance · 22/01/2026 18:38

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 22/01/2026 10:56

It does fit in with the hyperbole and tendency to hijack and twist more extensive suffering and make it me me me
Violence and discrimination against real women being the first stop

I found it interesting that several times in the podcast interview he described hearing about the experience of refugees from places like Iran as being "validating".

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 22/01/2026 10:56

It does fit in with the hyperbole and tendency to hijack and twist more extensive suffering and make it me me me
Violence and discrimination against real women being the first stop

highame · 22/01/2026 08:30

Transgender Refugees fleeing the USA 😂😂😂

TempestTost · 21/01/2026 22:46

tropicaltrance · 21/01/2026 19:46

That's really tragic.

Jane's therapist encouraged him to leave and try to claim asylum. He basically says she was the person (one of the persons?) he trusted most in the world and since she thought he should, he did. He sounds like he has been surrounded by people affirming everything the whole way through.

The woman who dragged her daughter out of her home and out of school (her adopted biological granddaughter) to a refugee camp because she was panicking about racism (granddaughter is mixed race)... I don't think the reason her granddaughter has tried to end her life in the refugee camp is because of being "trans".

What a complete and utter mess for all of them.

I do have sympathy with people who were misled into believing that they could change sex and are now encountering reality. The solution isn't to continue pretending the lie is true though.

I used to post in a forum where there was woman who was convinced that the Trump government was going to come after her autistic child, and was, she said, keeping pills stockpiled so the whole family could commit suicide if it happened.

More disturbingly most of the other women in the discussion seemed to think that was a reasonable thought process. All just regular mums.

junipery · 21/01/2026 22:09

we would be put into detention with men, and then that would lead to us being harmed or killed. And the method of execution is incarceration. I don’t think that the US government wants to murder me specifically. I think that they don’t care if I am murdered, and I think they think that I deserve it if I’m murdered in custody.”

The irony.

HildegardP · 21/01/2026 21:39

The Graun is just warming over the hyperbolic twaddle pumped out by Erin Reed & allied trades back in the first Trump term.
It was childish, self-dramatising hogwash then & remains so now.

tropicaltrance · 21/01/2026 19:46

That's really tragic.

Jane's therapist encouraged him to leave and try to claim asylum. He basically says she was the person (one of the persons?) he trusted most in the world and since she thought he should, he did. He sounds like he has been surrounded by people affirming everything the whole way through.

The woman who dragged her daughter out of her home and out of school (her adopted biological granddaughter) to a refugee camp because she was panicking about racism (granddaughter is mixed race)... I don't think the reason her granddaughter has tried to end her life in the refugee camp is because of being "trans".

What a complete and utter mess for all of them.

I do have sympathy with people who were misled into believing that they could change sex and are now encountering reality. The solution isn't to continue pretending the lie is true though.

Vodkamartini3olives · 21/01/2026 19:19

I'm sorry but what a whackadoddle!. She's probably friends the the Trans for Palestine lot who think they would have more rights there than California.

lizzohadsome · 21/01/2026 18:29

Sorry but 🤣🤣

InSlovakiaTheCapitalOfCourseIsBratislava · 21/01/2026 18:26

once I’d got over my eye injury from rolling them too much at the headline I quite enjoyed the article
I would say giving them enough rope to hang themselves but that’s probably incitement

UtopiaPlanitia · 20/01/2026 17:31

Rightsraptor · 19/01/2026 14:30

The Telegraph carried a story a few days ago about an American man trying to claim refigee status in the UK. He failed, of course, and yet he's still here. Of course.

Anyway, he had a 22 page letter from the relevant UK authority (Home Office?) detailing exactly why his application had failed. This young man wasn't trans, but he was an African-American, middle class graduate from a comfortable background so definite similarities with the overly-imaginitive characters here.

I watched their podcast video about him, it was downright fascinating how much he was prepared to do to validate his delusion that he was a refugee. He came across as very cynical when I watched his videos describing his behaviour.

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Lovelyview · 20/01/2026 14:56

MarieDeGournay · 20/01/2026 09:58

I am 100% against surrogacy, but in fairness, you can just have sex and have a baby, without anybody assessing if you're going to be a good parent.

True! In my mind I was comparing it with adoption.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/01/2026 10:08

Perfectly true, and it's a dilemma. Most humans who have gone through puberty are capable of providing the gametes to bring another human into creation and most females can gestate a baby. If it happens naturally nobody checks whether they're likely to be a good parent. However, given that other ways of becoming a parent do exist, require extensive help from others and have a built in higher risk of things going wrong for the child, is there not a moral imperative to check before enabling someone to become a parent? In the UK people have to go through quite extensive vetting before being considered suitable to adopt. Is there any vetting at all before IVF and other fertility treatments, and for surrogacy? I thought since the Children Act came into force that children's interests are supposed to be to the fore here, but it feels like fertility clinics and surrogacy have circumvented that.

MarieDeGournay · 20/01/2026 09:58

Lovelyview · 19/01/2026 19:18

Sadly with surrogacy no-one assesses if you're going to be a good parent. You just hand over the money and buy a baby.

I am 100% against surrogacy, but in fairness, you can just have sex and have a baby, without anybody assessing if you're going to be a good parent.

username734 · 20/01/2026 09:53

Do you think this will be a good peaking article? 🤔

God i just read it- so to answer my own question, no,it wouldn't because people so blinded by Trump hate will fall for this nonsense hook line and sinker

BeepBoopBop · 20/01/2026 06:22

Despite the lady brain, the language and construction in every sentence screams “I am male”.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/01/2026 21:04

Lovelyview · 19/01/2026 19:18

Sadly with surrogacy no-one assesses if you're going to be a good parent. You just hand over the money and buy a baby.

I know. If I ever rule the world surrogacy will be banned.

zanahoria · 19/01/2026 20:25

This scenario could be a great sitcom.

Every episode Jane tries to tell different campmates how he is the most oppressed person in the world.

I wonder if Glinner would fancy it?

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persephonia · 19/01/2026 19:52

Hotel785634 · 19/01/2026 18:47

I also couldn’t work out why a software engineer who says he could command $600K in California couldn’t get a job in Canada, the Netherlands or one of many other countries. If it’s about time pressure because he can’t bear renewing his passport and getting one that says “male”, well, living in a refugee camp for months is one hell of a price to pay for that. Wouldn’t the rational thing to do be to immigrate to a country considered safe and apply for citizenship there, especially as the Dutch are going to deny his application and then possibly deport him, after which he risks being back to square 1?

The Dutch even offer really good tax breaks for people coming to the Netherlands to work in high salary jobs! Although I think that's increasingly unpopular with actual Dutch people. But life as an "expat" on a work visa is many times better than life as an "incomer" seeking asylum. Crazy decision.

misscockerspaniel · 19/01/2026 19:49

Hotel785634 · 19/01/2026 18:47

I also couldn’t work out why a software engineer who says he could command $600K in California couldn’t get a job in Canada, the Netherlands or one of many other countries. If it’s about time pressure because he can’t bear renewing his passport and getting one that says “male”, well, living in a refugee camp for months is one hell of a price to pay for that. Wouldn’t the rational thing to do be to immigrate to a country considered safe and apply for citizenship there, especially as the Dutch are going to deny his application and then possibly deport him, after which he risks being back to square 1?

TBF, Trump is eyeing up Canada as the 51st (52nd?) State...

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2026 19:23

Lovelyview · 19/01/2026 17:47

So Arc is a software engineer who could easily have got a job in the Netherlands - or indeed Canada - but decided to flee the US in a panic and try to claim asylum which is almost certain to fail.In the meantime he has to live in what sounds like an absolute dump. 'Simply denying someone the right to put their chosen gender on their passport is nowhere near enough.' Well exactly. It really is about the drama isn't it. Why on earth would ICE detain him if he went back? Isn't he an American citizen? And poor Nox. The only reason America is unsuitable for trans people is because it utterly fails to provide adequate mental health services for young gender questioning children.

Would you employ Arc?

Too impatient to apply for a visa to the Netherlands which if he's any good he'd have probably got. Strikes me, he's probably shit but talks himself up. This is the conclusion I'd reach if I was a potential employer. Or I'd conclude that Arc had fuck all common sense and was dangerously impulsive in going for this option which is massively problematic for an employer.

Arc instead tries to bypass the system by going for asylum. Which will be refused and likely end up in a deportation - if Arc had done any research he'd have found this out. A deportation will go on the passport he doesn't like and restrict his options for going elsewhere for any reason whether it be for business or pleasure (including to work on a visa) in future. Thus burning any potential plan B to get out the US. Again, I come to the conclusion 'fuck me this guy is a dumb ass'.

Having bummed about in the Netherlands trying to get asylum for a couple of years Arc ends up with a massive hole in his CV to explain to a future employer. If Arc tells the truth any sane employer will go 'fuck me, this one is barking and isn't a good fit for our culture because their expectations are fucking ridiculous and they'll be a nightmare'. If Arc lies and then it later comes out, Arc has cards firmly marked.

Arc has successfully ruined future employment opportunities.

But hell Arc currently gets bed and board courtesy of the Dutch government and gets fawning attention from British journalists tripping over themselves to do a pity party piece on persecuted transwomen. This is all good for Arc the shit software engineer who struggles with normal social expectations and interactions in the workplace preferring fawning and sympathy.

The article massively misses the mark of drawing attention to the horrors of the Trump administration and just makes these transwomen and transmen look like over privileged wankers with no concept of the world and a victim complex who wants to colonise the asylum seeker experience as if it gives them a new depth of authenticity of how hard done by they are. Whilst making everyone else look at them with new found disbelief and shock at the level of tone deafness they have to the experiences of actual asylum seekers.

Well done The Guardian for making this lot look like dickheads.

Lovelyview · 19/01/2026 19:18

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 19/01/2026 14:49

Thanks for the link to the archive of that blog. Goodness me. What a fortunate thing for the child Jane wanted to bring into the world by surrogacy that it isn't currently possible. I can't see how anybody can think that Jane is a good candidate for parenthood, especially single parenthood. Jane sounds utterly paranoid for a start. Then there's the fact that Jane was hoping to become not just a parent but a mother.

Sadly with surrogacy no-one assesses if you're going to be a good parent. You just hand over the money and buy a baby.

persephonia · 19/01/2026 19:18

zanahoria · 19/01/2026 18:49

Reminds me of the various oddballs who used to defect to the USSR including Lee Harvey Oswald.

It is just attention seeking.

There are still Americans (and a few British people) "fleeing" to Russia in search of a better life. And it usually going wrong. Though I guess the American refugees fleeing the woke to go to Russia will be replaced now by Americans fleeing the great trans genocide.
I have lot of sympathy with people concerned about some of the things happening under Biden and especially with people concerned about how its going under Trump. But it takes a special kind of drama lama to move from California to a Dutch refugee camp.

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