Have there been any studies about elderly trans people with dementia?

It is common for men to become sexually disinhibited with dementia. We certainly hear about this a lot. Less common, I think, in women. If transgenderism was innate, but had been stifled, wouldn’t it be expressed as part of male sexual disinhibition? Or would the transgenderists say that the lack of expression proves that men who identify as women would not become as disinhibited as other men, because they would be behaving as a woman, therefore not displaying sexual disinhibition?

Wouldn't it also work the other way round then. If gender identity is innate and immutable as tras would have it, would we not see people who've suppressed their inner-true-opposite-sex-self (probably because of us mean terfs) suddenly transitioning if Alzheimer's took away their inhibitions. Aside from the pp's uncle, has this ever happened?

My uncle got dementia in his early sixties due to alcoholism. The last photo I ever saw of him was him dressed fully as a woman and he died a couple of years later. Not sure what that means!

That poor woman. Imagine putting up with everything she'd put up with, thinking she was doing the right thing and being a dutiful, loving wife, and then having their life together end like that.

Isn't that more or less what I said? The chances of there being no living creatures in a forest is pretty much zero.
I suppose this particular quote or philosophical question or whatever it is winds me up because one of my strange relatives once sent me some kind of religious brainwashing type video, where the young man who was trying to do the brainwashing (at great length) stated categorically that there would be no sound if there was no one there to hear it. A stupid diagram of a tree falling down again and again with no sound was employed to hammer home their point. Surely the whole point of asking the question about a tree falling in the forest is to engender philosophical thoughts and discussions, not to find a concrete answer, because there isn't one.

I guess this is something I need to let go of ... meanwhile the question about elderly trans people wondering what the hell has happened to them remains. I think it's simplistic to say that people are born one thing and remain that thing forever. People change throughout their lives. It's a trueism though that people who are old revert to a second childhood. But I do not think that a human being or any other mammal can change sex. That's not a philosophical question, it is fact.

Receptor doesn't have to be human it can be anything with the capacity to hear. If there is no "one" (including any and all living creatures) in the forest there is nothing to receive the sound waves created by the tree falling. A tree falling makes sound waves, ears and brain synapses (human or otherwise) turn sound waves into sounds.

I knew a man who transitioned in his 40s and lived to be quite elderly, and had dementia in his final years.

As far as I heard there weren't any major issues about the transition, although he did end up believing he was still in the navy which would have been earlier in his life. But he all round seemed to have a happy disposition including throughout his decline, as opposed to the distress many people feel. SO that may have made a differernce all round.

Not dementia, but Rene Jax who, I think, transitioned in the 1960s and was California's fist transgender cop wrote a book about a decade ago:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dont-get-plane-change-will/dp/1548007366

She (I will give her that as she has since been honest and open in her regret) had to give up hormones because of the damage they were doing to her body. There is quite a moving talk somewhere on t'internet. A warning that should be heeded. And presumably the earlier you start the more chance of damage.

This is why care homes dealing with dementia patients rarely have mirrors, because they don't recognise the old person as themselves.

That is a very good analogy, thank you.

I also agree with @GreatFox that we are witnessing a chapter of a great social tragedy unfolding

I think the reference to a tree falling in a forest and not being heard doesn't address the situation we have.

That is is the external messages from friends, family and inflationary praise from both MSM and SM that is the problem.

And once someone who is for whatever reason is no longer emotionally, or mentally vulnerable to false, current fashion messages, it ceases to have any reality.

ie its not the tree falling being unheard, it is that all the surrounding trees that were inundating a vulnerable person with fantasy solutions, aren't of any importance.

This is what I started thinking about. For instance quite a lot of money has gone into shared ownership schemes for older member of the LGBTQI+ (whatever) community.

And I started having terrible visions of some keen young TRA volunteering there and resolutely preaching the TRA line to someone whose mind is now remembering an earlier period of their life when they knew the sex they were born.

But there are lots of sounds that aren't audible to human ears?

Yeah I thought that. But if any living being could hear it? Like a squirrel or whatever so it's only not a sound of nobody with ears is nearby? I'm confused now, haha x

@GreatFox A child of a transperson (I think in Aussie?) on x has written about her experience of her dad's dementia and care . Many men who ID as women don't have any genital surgery, but her dad did. When he got dementia he was very distressed at his penis having gone and had no memory of why- which caused anger and distress to him, but the staff kept referring to him as a woman.

My grandmother had dementia- she forgot so much, but she always recognised men and women, and didn't want male carers. Maybe recognising biological sex (of yourself and others) is a basic integral human reality thing that never changes?

@Chariothorses that's really interesting, thank you. As if caring for an elderly parent isn't hard enough without the NHS making it even more painful.

It does sit rather at odds with the insistence of many trans people that they've always known from a very young age that they were the sex/gender that they identify as.

I'm not sure about that. If a transwoman spent their whole childhood living as a boy and being treated as a boy (even if he felt he was meant to be a girl), I imagine that it could still cause confusion and distress in old age with dementia, especially if he had regressed to old memory of himself.

The Children of Transitioners all have a parent who says they are trans, and have linked to some useful info re dementia for elderly transpeople on their website- see here.
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/our-moral-obligation-to-the-truth/

If you look elsewhere on their website/ x account, they have also written about the distress caused to everyone - staff, family and patient- by the inflexibility/ trans ideological capture of health organisations/NHS by TRA groups. eg distress caused by medical staff who must refer to these same dementia ridden dads as women -when the patient as well as their family knows they are men and can't remember anything else. (eg when dads who had their penis removed when they were younger after fathering children, forget they ever ID'd as women- maybe sexual paraphilias like AGP become less dominant in men in old age anyway?)

And NHS staff who won't listen to their patient's adult children (who are left supporting their trans parent , like most adult children of dementia patients) when they request a bit more kindness and less ideological trans stuffing- down the -throat..

NHS staff need to be less committed to trans ideology and stop writing policy according to TRA groups whose main concern is grift and power, not caring for the vulnerable people whose lives and families they wreck.

The Children of Transitioners have also written about how some children of transpeople have had to deal with the NHS bereavement teams lying their 'mother' has died when it is a father, causing further distress at an already distressing time. ...as a result demonstrating the NHS's total ignorance/ lack of respect of UK law which confirms- in both the original GRA itself and UK Supreme Court and ECHR decisions more recently- that transparents don't change parental reality ie a dad is always a dad, and a mother is always a mother, whatever their GRC status. Link to legal judgements here:
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/paperwork/

childrenoftransitioners.org/six-children/

The Welsh Government think that research into trans people is ‘desperately’ needed, however I think that they should focus on waiting lists and social care rather than the teeny tiny trans minority who will present uniquely so making any study questionable!

I’d be in favour of this, they have it in Netherlands too. It’s such a cruel disease, I do think it’s a kindness to give people an option.

Interesting. So a 'sound' has to be heard by a living being to constitute itself existing as such. Otherwise it's just a vibration of particles?

Like if a radio is on but the volume turned down to zero, the radio is not actually making a sound though it's emitting sound particles/waves?

I guess it's like a push. If a human pushes the air, it's not really a 'push' until an object or person that's visible is touched/moved?!

This is strangely fascinating to me now. Though veering further away from trans dementia sufferers...

Surely anyone who reverts to their childhood in the throes of dementia is going to be disturbed by their own bodies? Not recognising their old wrinkly skin, lack of teeth, post-pubertal bodies etc…The hellscape of dementia is no picnic for any human - trans or otherwise. I remember the 80 year old woman at my mothers ‘care’ home who constantly called out for her mother while curled up in a foetal position in her chair. I am eternally shamed that my mother ended up in such a place but I could not cope with her or have the money to look after her at home.

Do you have a particular interest in dementia in the trans community for a personal reason OP or is it just curiosity? As with most things in old age, isolation is a major factor - all our tribes fade away - I doubt there will be many Pride or Trans flags flying in your old people’s homes. The union jacks will be out for all occasions though.

People with Dementia can revert to a point in time. I know one man who started dressing as a woman in middle age, no surgery or drugs, who became quite confused by this as his dementia progressed so reverted to wearing men’s clothes.