"Defending Women’s Privacy, Dignity, and Safety Across Bassetlaw" Proposed Reform motion at Bassetlaw Council

Thanks for the explanation, I understand why you would want it to be fairer and more equal but the title of the proposal is “Defending Women’s Privacy, Dignity, and Safety Across Bassetlaw", which is why it might be weighted towards women.
I also think that it's very clear that it's women's spaces that are being invaded wholesale not men's, and where as all things being equal men's single sex spaces should be involved in the discussion, it's not men's rights that currently under assault.
I see the proposal as defending those who are under attack, and it wouldn't surprise me if it hadn't been written by a women.

Single sex services are vastly more advantageous to women than to men, and that the impact of permitting self-selection for sexed areas and services falls vastly heavier on women than men. Its great to see that finally judically acknowleged in the Darlington judgement. Its bad that it needs to be the subject of a council resolution, but it does, and there's nothing wrong with the council resolution saying so.

It's also true that in statutes we maintain what is in effect a legal fiction, that the EA2010 and FWS protects both men and women from discrimination, when in reality and in practice it (mostly) protects women.

I do think there's value in that pretence though, that things are or (should be) equal. It gives judicial imprimatur to the concept that in the sunny uplands of the future utopia in which we all yearn to live where men and women are both equally in need of anti-discrimination legislation and symmetric laws and resolutions will actually make more sense.

So on that basis, I think I would have preferred if resolutions 1, 3 and 6 referred to single-sex spaces rather than women-only spaces.

I should add that I initially thought on reading the resolution - and when I posted my prior post - that there was an element of condescension towards women in the wording of the resolution. That may have been prompted by the discussion of which political party drafted the text. I'm not so sure now, after re-reading it.

Explain please.

My only comment is that the EA2010 and the FWS judgment are scrupulously symmetrical as to single sex for women, and single sex for men. This, deliberately, isn't.

The troube is I suspect that many of the politicians (particularly Labour) are just as tribally bad.

Can you imagine forwarding this proposed motion to your own council / councillors and their response on seeing it was written by Reform.

ie they will put their party loyalty about supporting women.

Maybe we should be really naughty and send it round saying my friend has sent me this proposal made by her Labour council and she is so impressed she thought I would like to ask you as my Councillor to put this forward at the next full council meeting.

Do you really think that the women on here are in any way uneducated about who Reform are?

If Reform are literally rhe only party willing to put policies in place that MEET THE ACTUAL LAW then what exactly do you expect?

Go have a pop at Labour or the Tories not the women on here for wanting their councils to comply with the actual law.

It's less wolf in sheeps clothing than men in single sex female spaces, which is what every other party except for the Conservatives (more latterly) have been actively enabling.

They've LITERALLY been encouraging wolves in sheeps clothing causing real physical harm. Like the child attacked by Dolatowski.

And more importantly, if Reform can get this staggeringly morally easy position right, why can't the rest of them? (Conservatives aside - Kemi in particular has been very good on thinking women are full humans).

I'm sorry but this is on the other parties - anyone who doesn't agree with the motion is acting like the fucking Taliban and as if women aren't real humans. It's about BASIC rights for women.

Why do they give Reform these easy wins? And HAND OVER votes.

Oh dear, these childish student politics are so boring. And i dont understand why as a feminist forum letting other women know about a proposal that is pro women's sex based rights then gets this inane I am here to tell you that Reform is bad as thought the rest of us are idiots.

This is about a proposal by a local council that most of us would support. And if we were residents would probably ask whoever our local councillor is to support the motion.

Many of us live in areas where councils are run by political parties we dont agree with, but that doesn't stop us interacting with them.

You are the one who is falling into the trap. The usual leftie virtual signalling, more important to show we are against the right than supporting women.

If everyone was as politically imature as you we probably wouldn't have the right to abortion, let alone (in theory) equal pay.

Surely the huge benefit of having a forum like FWR is we dont have to go through this male stance on politics.

We have the opportunity to discuss how in a world dominated by men, TRAs and hand maidens, we can work the system or use opportunities to help further women's sex based rights.

Its not only that it is such a trite comment, but it is insulting to the rest of us that contributors to FWR cant distinguish between the issue and the proposer.

I think most of us left the 6th Form some years, if not decades ago.

(And just to add the usual additional point, which is that if the so called left and liberals parties were supporting women, we wouldn't have to take into account what Reform or whoever is doing. )

I also don't support the banning of Grok/TwiX because it's not the only AI that does this, they all do, it's being going on for a few years now. Grok, however, is the only one that's being talked about because it's owned by Musk, who is not afraid to call out Two Tier about how he's removing Free Speech in the UK. Drama Starmer is just using the undressing of women as an excuse to shut down a critic.

I don't care if Reform is behind this proposal, much more of this type of positive action from them and they will definitely get my vote in all elections.

Just like Trump, Reform is the reaction, it's the situation that caused Reform to be come popular that you should be focusing on. This proposal is a good hint to the other parties about where they're going wrong.

So this has always puzzled me about trans males who claim they pass...

If they genuinely pass as women, then no-one will know they are actually male. They can go ahead and use the women's facilities and no one will complain, because no-one will notice. It follows that there is no problem for them after all. Right?

That was my first thought when I read it, it's so good it should be used as a standard for every council in the land.

I might nick it and send it to the councillors in my ward and ask them why aren't you this good, because of course, my councillors are all labour.

Bassetlaw Labour councillors could demonstrate that they are friends of women, and also cut the ground from under Reform’s feet, by supporting this motion.

They all seem to come out with the problem is cisgender men. Considering any cisgender man can claim to be a TW at any point, how do they square that circle?

Every council, of every party, which FAILS to copy, paste, and enact this Bassetlaw resolution is a council publicly exposing their hatred of women, and their contempt for women's safety and legal rights.

Nobody can change sex therefore there is no such thing as trans. The Supreme Court confirms no men should ever be in women- only spaces.

They aren’t a wolf in sheep’s clothing though, are they? They’ve made their positions pretty clear and you can support or oppose them.

I oppose a lot of Reform’s positions and also worry about their competence.

But the wolves in sheep’s clothing (almost literally on the trans issue) have been the mainstream parties, especially the left ones, who obfuscate with terms like “all women” (meaning: men and women), “human rights” (special privileges), “protect [from transphobia]” (shield from scrutiny), “follow the science” (follow the fashion). They are the false friends of women. Reform you can make your own mind up.

It's a great motion, and I'm struggling to see anything in it that I wouldn't wholeheartedly agree with.

I wouldn't vote for Reform, but I'm ashamed that such common sense isn't coming out of the Labour Party on this issue. Thirty years ago it absolutely would have done.

That is a truly excellent proposal OP.

To the posters who fruitlessly post 'Reform are no friend to women' etc... How is that any different to any of our political parties? Can you name one who do value women? Because at the moment, I can't. This proposal would certainly encourage me to vote Reform (although I currently prefer the Conservatives). Kemi is certainly moving in the right direction for women's rights.

I could not read the full petition - just the opening statement has me grinding my teeth in frustration at how badly they understand the law, and that the petitioners are determined to continue making it a conflict rather than working out how women, girls and trans people can be treated with dignity!

Local councillors quite often adopt contrary positions to the Westminster parties, and actually affect our day to day life more than posturing MPs (e.g. Bristol Greens, Southwark Council leisure centres) so it's great to see a council taking local action on this. So it's disappointing if no other councillors can support it @TheAutumnCrow and overcome ideological opposition to working with Reform. Politics is too polarised.

That question is: who has proposed an important motion in Bassetlaw that deserves support.

Often the left say things like: “noone is free until everyone is free”. Too often that seems to mean: “block good moves if they show people I’ve decided are bad people in a good light”.

Oh that redit thread is hilarious they seem to think that if the motion passed they'll have an easier route to the EtHRC and that we will realise what a huge mistake we've made because so many pass 🤣🤣🤣🤣
When in reality they will still have the exact same path to crt and the same burden of proof as before and still run up against the duel road blocks of women having rights and the limits on article 8 rights.
Also none of them pass in real life

Labour, Lib Dems and Greens are wolves in wolves' clothing. Their hatred of women is on show for all to see

I don't actually care that reform are wolf in sheep's clothing because all political parties are. No parties prioritize women, all parties are run majorly by men for men because women are not equal.

It’s a good notice of motion.

It should be coming from - or being seconded by - one of the main political parties or an independent member of the council.

Sadly, it isn’t.

Again, if you think it's generally OK, I ask you - do you think you'd see Labour, the Lib Dums, Greens etc ever issuing such a woman centred piece? And if not, why not?